[aaron_straker]: 0:29

Happy Tuesday, guys, welcom back to another episode of each train. Prosper

[mike_millner]: 0:30

Happy Tuesday, guys walklcom back to another episode of each train. Prosper

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today's Bri myself and we have a special Gu on by the name of Mike Milner,

[mike_millner]: 0:33

today's Brian myself, and we have a special guest on by the name of Mike

[aaron_straker]: 0:37

Today we're going to talk about talk with Mike about the power of your

[mike_millner]: 0:37

Milner, Today we're going to talk about talk with Mike about the power of your

[aaron_straker]: 0:40

personality. But before we jump into the episodetas can you introduce

[mike_millner]: 0:41

personality. But before we jump into the episode details mightke, can you

[aaron_straker]: 0:44

yourself for everyone?

[mike_millner]: 0:44

introduce yourself for everyone? Yeah, Yeah, I appreciate you guys having me on. Uh, my name's Mike Milner, I am the owner of peak optimization performance, Uh, or pop, for short, Actually, named my company after my grandfather. I called Pop up, so, um, he passed away. Unfortunately, right before I started my business, but I've been in the industry for a while for about ten years. I guess now, Uh started as a personal trainer and a very small locally owned gym, just doing like one on one session. small groups. that sort of thing, Um, and then found my passion and nutrition and it really stemmed from my own struggle. I was a athlete growing up and never had to worry about. You know what I was eating and and what I was doing, I just stayed naturally pretty lean and and fit, and then college hit and I picked up on some typical college kid habits and drank a lot and ate a lot and gained a lot of weight. And then I was like shit. Well, I don't even recognize myself any morere. Uh, so I started doing everything wrong and that was chronic dieting a lot of cardio, yoo, diting, losing weight, gaining it back. and and it was really frustrating And when I started when I finally found strength training That was like the first kind of paradigm shattering moment. I was like Oh, I don't have to do two hours of cardio a day to make progress. So that's amazing 'cause I hate cardio and so I, uh, that was the first part of it, But then the second part was seeing so many other people still struggling with nutrition And that was like the sticking point for myself and for a lot of others at the gym that I was training at And they would show up and they would show up every day and their bodies weren't changing. They're like, What what am I doing wrong? Im. I'm showing up at the gym doing all the things, but nothing's happening And so I'm like there must be something to this nutrition thing and um, my personality is I. I like to go all in on something and and understand it to probably you know, way too extreme. But uh, that, and that's probably why I was a chronic diector, But uh, it helped me in in learning for myself what I needed to do to get out of that that hole, and um, you know, overcame some issues with eating disorders and uh, body domrphia, and all of that, and wanted to pay it forward. Started working for another company as a nutrition coach, didn't see eye to eye with their philosophy, And Uh, that gave me the opportunity then start my business and and do things the way that I felt was was the appropriate way to do things. And that's kind of where we're at today.

[bryan_boorstein]: 2:58

Super cool, Mike. Are you a solopreneur or do you have a team around? You?

[mike_millner]: 2:59

Super cool, Mike. Are you a solo preneur or do you have a team around you? So I'm the the sole owner of the business, But at this point we've grown. Um. I started my business just under four years ago. and uh, we've grown pretty quickly so I have a a pretty solid team right now. Of about Um. I think it were at eleven coaches now that work for me, and and uh, you know, have some other positions in place that uh, help you know. keep the train moving

[aaron_straker]: 3:27

So thanks for that introduction Like him before we jump into the meetat and

[mike_millner]: 3:27

cool. So thanks for that introduction, Like and before we jump into the meat

[aaron_straker]: 3:30

potatoes of the episode. Just want to give a little recap on what's going on

[mike_millner]: 3:31

and potatoes of the episode, just want to give a little recap on what's going

[aaron_straker]: 3:33

Like how, how' your last seven days been

[mike_millner]: 3:34

on like. how's your last seven days been? Yeah, so it's been a little bit interesting. Um, I've I've been experimenting with some things as I like to do. I like to be the guinea pig before I tell anybody else to do something. In the last seven days, I have not had any caffeine, which I'm a big fan of coffee like part of my morning routine. Sit down. I like to write, so every single morning I wake up, I get my coffee and I write for usually the first forty five minutes of my day. And that's that's how I start my morning. Um. And and having to cut out the the caffeine for my life has been an interesting revelation on just how dependent I was on it. and um. it's It's definitely impacted my performance in the gym. I haven't been as motivated to show up. My workouts haven't been great, Um, but I wanna see it through. I'm goingnna go through the entire month with Uh, with no coffee. If I sound like I have no idea what I'm talking about in this episode. Now you understand why I had want

[bryan_boorstein]: 4:31

Blame the coffee. Yeah,

[mike_millner]: 4:31

to put him the coffee. That

[aaron_straker]: 4:33

question for you on that. So did you just go like cold turkey or are you

[mike_millner]: 4:34

question for you on that. So did you just go like cold turkey or are you like?

[aaron_straker]: 4:37

like? Did you have like a weaning process? Are you doing any decaf?

[mike_millner]: 4:38

Did you go for like a weaning process? Are you doing any decap? Yep, So I'll do a cup of decaf just because it's like the the habit of like sitting with my coffee and writing. I feel like I. It helps. for some reason helps me be creative. So I'll do a cup of decaf And I just went Cold turkey, just started and uh switched to decaf. And that's it. And and that's you know,

[aaron_straker]: 5:00

I did that back in. I want to say it was June. It was June or July to thirty

[mike_millner]: 5:01

I did that back. and I want to say it was June. It was June or July to thirty

[aaron_straker]: 5:04

days without any caffeine. And yeah, it was It's eye opening because it's

[mike_millner]: 5:05

days without any caffeine. And yeah, it was It's eye opening. Because it's

[aaron_straker]: 5:09

like, especially people like us. You don't like to think of like I, I don't

[mike_millner]: 5:09

like especialing people like us. You don't like to think of like I, I don't

[aaron_straker]: 5:13

know, I and I don't like dependency. Like I don't have dependencies. Those

[mike_millner]: 5:13

know. I and I don't like dependency like. Well, I don't have dependencies over

[aaron_straker]: 5:16

are for people with like you know, drug habits and stuff, And then you you

[mike_millner]: 5:17

for people with like you know, drug habits and stuff, And then you you get off

[aaron_straker]: 5:19

get off that coffee and you are dragging ass in the headache hits and stuff,

[mike_millner]: 5:21

that coffee and you are dragging ass in the headache hits and stuff and you're

[aaron_straker]: 5:23

and you're like Oh, holy shit, like that's real. that thing that people talk

[mike_millner]: 5:25

like Oh, holy shit, like that's real. that thing that people talk about like,

[aaron_straker]: 5:27

about like and you don't have to be like a five coupleup day person. Like me.

[mike_millner]: 5:28

and you don't have to be like a five cup of day person Like me. I'm like you

[aaron_straker]: 5:31

I'm like you know one to two, but like when you just stop having it like you

[mike_millner]: 5:32

know one to two, but like when you just stop having it like you feel it. it's

[aaron_straker]: 5:36

feel it. it's crazy, so yeah've, been there. it's interesting.

[mike_millner]: 5:37

crazy, so yeah, I've been there it. it's interesting. Yeah, definitely. yeah. I was like more of a two to three cups per day. Uh, and I noticed the energy thing was was first. It was just knowing, like seeing my performance when I was at the gym and that was the first time. But then I started noticing a little bit of like the brain fog where I was not quite as sharp as I wanted to be in certain situations and it's kinda like dragged that like kind of low grade fatigue that hangs around and you're like When is this go to go away? So I'll keep you posted If if that does

[aaron_straker]: 6:05

Yeah, please do, Brian. what's been going on with the

[mike_millner]: 6:05

go away. Yeah, please do. Brian Has's been going on with the

[bryan_boorstein]: 6:08

Yes, Straker did a a whole cold turkey coffee thing too, So it's funny you

[mike_millner]: 6:08

Yeah. Striker did a a whole cold turkey coffee thing, too, so it's funny you

[bryan_boorstein]: 6:12

didn't bring that up, but I know you experienced a lot of the same symptoms

[mike_millner]: 6:12

didn't bring that up, but I know you experienced a lot of the same

[aaron_straker]: 6:14

Mhm.

[mike_millner]: 6:14

symptoms, right. Mhm, yeah, um, so for me the comedy of horrors around my life

[bryan_boorstein]: 6:15

right. Yeah, So for me the comedy of horrors around my life continues. So

[mike_millner]: 6:20

continues. So we, uh, we got.

[bryan_boorstein]: 6:22

we, we got my nany, my nanny back from Covin, which is great. Um, but

[mike_millner]: 6:22

We got my nanny, my nanny back from Cooved, which is great. Um, but within

[bryan_boorstein]: 6:26

within that time frame, the nanny that we had hired for the five weeks in

[mike_millner]: 6:27

that time frame, the nanny that we had hired for the five weeks in San Diego,

[bryan_boorstein]: 6:30

San Diego, backed out, So now we're going to San Diego, for five weeks in

[mike_millner]: 6:31

backed out, so now we're going to San Diego for five weeks in February, and we

[bryan_boorstein]: 6:34

February, and we don't have a nanny at the moment, so that whole process

[mike_millner]: 6:34

don't have a nanny at the moment, so that whole process starts over again.

[bryan_boorstein]: 6:37

starts over again. Yes,

[mike_millner]: 6:38

Yes,

[aaron_straker]: 6:39

Okay, okay, can we just put this out there right Podcast listeners? If you

[mike_millner]: 6:39

okay, okay, 'cause we didn't put the south there, right Podcas, listeners? You

[aaron_straker]: 6:43

are a nanny or know someone who is a nanny in the Boulder, Colorado or San

[mike_millner]: 6:43

are a nanny, Ordo, someone who is a nanny in the Boulder, Colorado or San

[aaron_straker]: 6:47

Diego areas, Sorry,

[bryan_boorstein]: 6:48

no, San Diego. We, our Boulder situation's cool San Diego.

[mike_millner]: 6:48

Diego, San Diego, We, our Boulder situations cool

[aaron_straker]: 6:51

I feel like you should have a backup because we we talk a lot about it.

[mike_millner]: 6:51

San Diego. I feel like you should have a backup, because

[bryan_boorstein]: 6:54

You know what we really need. You know. what we really need in Boulder is

[mike_millner]: 6:54

you know what we really need. You know what we really need in Boulder is is an

[bryan_boorstein]: 6:57

is an. Um, a baby's an overnight babysitter. Apparently, these things

[mike_millner]: 6:58

Um, a babys, an overnight babysitter. Apparently, these things exist. I've

[bryan_boorstein]: 7:01

exist. I've heard about these from friends. They literally have babysitters

[mike_millner]: 7:02

heard about these from friends. They literally have babysitters that show up

[bryan_boorstein]: 7:05

that show up and take care of your kids overnight, so you can go like spend

[mike_millner]: 7:05

and take care of your kids overnight, so you can go like, spend a night in a

[bryan_boorstein]: 7:08

a night in a hotel or whatever. and we've never had that so

[mike_millner]: 7:08

hotel or whatever, and we've never

[aaron_straker]: 7:10

I know I know someone. I will connect you with her. Yeah, an inbulder,

[mike_millner]: 7:10

had that, so I know I know someone. I will connect you with her

[bryan_boorstein]: 7:13

gangster, okay, Awome, look at that making things happen. So five weeks in

[mike_millner]: 7:13

gangster. Okay, Awesome and look at that making things

[aaron_straker]: 7:16

Yup,

[mike_millner]: 7:16

happen. So five weeks in San Diego, February twentieth to March twenty third,

[bryan_boorstein]: 7:18

San Diego, February twentieth to March twenty third, we need a nanny eight

[mike_millner]: 7:21

we need a nanny eight to two, five days a week, Willll pay. well, Um, so

[bryan_boorstein]: 7:22

to two, five days a week. we will pay. Well, Um, so that's happening. We

[mike_millner]: 7:26

that's happening. We are leaving from Mexico tomorrow, Um. We thought that

[bryan_boorstein]: 7:27

are leaving from Mexico tomorrow, Um. We thought that maybe we would catch

[mike_millner]: 7:30

maybe we would catch covet because our nanny had coveed, so we were testing

[bryan_boorstein]: 7:31

coved because our nanny had coveed, So we are testing like all throughout

[mike_millner]: 7:34

like all throughout the week. Turns out none of us caught covet, which is

[bryan_boorstein]: 7:35

the week. Turns out none of us caught covet, which is awesome. so we're

[mike_millner]: 7:38

awesome. So we're leaving tomorrow morning for Mexico. Goingnna spend five

[bryan_boorstein]: 7:39

leaving tomorrow morning for Mexico, going to spend five days there. Um,

[mike_millner]: 7:41

days there. Um, really amped. It's a all inclusive resort where there's like

[bryan_boorstein]: 7:43

really amped. It's a all inclusive resort where there's like activities and

[mike_millner]: 7:45

activities and stuff for the kids, so we should actually get like a nice

[bryan_boorstein]: 7:46

stuff for the kids, so we should actually get like a nice vacation out of

[mike_millner]: 7:48

vacation out of it. And um,

[bryan_boorstein]: 7:49

it. And, um, man, I feel like there was something else bad that happened, But um, I'm so

[mike_millner]: 7:51

man, I feel like there was something else bad that happened. But um, I'm so

[bryan_boorstein]: 7:54

excited about Mexico that I can't even remember what it is now. so uh,

[mike_millner]: 7:55

excited about Mexico that I can't even remember what it is now. so uh, we'll

[bryan_boorstein]: 7:58

we'll just we'll just move on and talk about your seven days and then get

[mike_millner]: 7:58

just we'll just move on and talk about your seven days and then get into our

[bryan_boorstein]: 8:01

into our interview here.

[mike_millner]: 8:01

interview here. Yeah, so um, there was a conference here in Scottsdale, I

[aaron_straker]: 8:02

Yeah, so um, there was a conference here in Scotdale, I mean, one of thing that's really cool is likein literally. Within the last thirty days there's

[mike_millner]: 8:06

mean, One of thing that's really cool is like within the literally. Within the last thirty days, there's been two like Someha big nutrition conferences. The

[aaron_straker]: 8:09

been two like semi big nutrition conferences. The first one is work Mike and

[mike_millner]: 8:13

first one is work Mike and I met in person and there was another one just this

[aaron_straker]: 8:13

I met in person, and there' another one just this weekend and they' literally

[mike_millner]: 8:16

weekend And it, they're literally five minutes down the road, so it's I'm

[aaron_straker]: 8:16

five minutes down the road, So it's I'm like

[mike_millner]: 8:19

super like,

[aaron_straker]: 8:19

privileged. I should say that they are just like here and thatwhere. I'm

[mike_millner]: 8:20

Uh, privileged. I should say that they're just like here, and that we'm like,

[aaron_straker]: 8:22

like, Yeah, cool. I just go and meet people. You know friends from the

[mike_millner]: 8:23

Yeah, cool and I just go and meet people. you know. friends from the Internet

[aaron_straker]: 8:25

Internet that I, You know we, we follow each other in Ns. Scm and' talking

[mike_millner]: 8:27

That I, you know, we, we fogg each other in N. Gm. and we'll talking stuff,

[aaron_straker]: 8:29

stuff, but I haveve never met up in person, So I did that one of my old

[mike_millner]: 8:30

but've never met up in person. So I did that. One of my old clients was there

[aaron_straker]: 8:31

clients was there and I had no idea, So I got to meet him in person and it

[mike_millner]: 8:33

and I had no idea, so I got to meet him in person and it was just it's just

[aaron_straker]: 8:35

was just It's just really really cool and it's like I don't know. I still

[mike_millner]: 8:37

really really cool and it's like I don't know. I still feel like I'm not

[aaron_straker]: 8:39

feel like I'm not dumbfounded, but like

[mike_millner]: 8:42

dumbfounded, but like

[aaron_straker]: 8:43

surprised by, like. I like. These are legitimate work conferences for my

[mike_millner]: 8:44

surprised by, like I like. these are legitimate work conferences for my career

[aaron_straker]: 8:47

career and I really want to go, and it's a lot of fun and I'm like

[mike_millner]: 8:48

and I really want to go and it's a lot of fun and I'm like emotionally and and

[aaron_straker]: 8:50

emotionally and and mentally invested in what I'm learning And it's like it

[mike_millner]: 8:52

mentally invested in what I'm learning And it's like it just feels unreal to

[aaron_straker]: 8:54

just feels unreal to be completely honest. So that was super super cool and

[mike_millner]: 8:56

be completely honest. So that was super super cool and then uh last night Bit

[aaron_straker]: 8:58

then uh, last night, Bit of a funny story. It like it. It's I mean, we're in

[mike_millner]: 9:01

of a funny story. It like it. It's I mean, we're in what second week of the

[aaron_straker]: 9:03

what second week of the year now, But the gym is packed right and I didn't

[mike_millner]: 9:04

year now? But the gym is packed right and I

[aaron_straker]: 9:06

get to go to the gym until La, uh yesterday evening, 'cause I was just like

[bryan_boorstein]: 9:06

Mhm.

[mike_millner]: 9:06

didn't get to go to the gym until La. Uh yesterday evening 'cause I was just

[aaron_straker]: 9:10

super headead down on work, getting a bunch of stuff done And it's like right

[mike_millner]: 9:10

like super headead down on work getting a bunch of stuff done And it's like

[aaron_straker]: 9:13

next to the college, because Arizona State is here and like you know, college

[mike_millner]: 9:13

right next to the college, because Arizona State is here and like you know,

[aaron_straker]: 9:16

students are going to go to gym at like eight to ten p. M. It's like whatever

[mike_millner]: 9:16

college students are going to go to gym at like eight to ten p. M. It's like

[aaron_straker]: 9:19

you know, people are up super late, so it was packed and I had to do the

[mike_millner]: 9:19

whatever you know, people are up super late, so it was packed and I had to do

[aaron_straker]: 9:22

pendulum squat last and I was just like it is what it is like. I'm just going

[mike_millner]: 9:22

the pendulum squat last and I was just like it is what it is like. I'm just go

[aaron_straker]: 9:26

to do it. I. It was the very last exercise of my leg training and it bodied

[mike_millner]: 9:27

to do it. I. It was the very last exercise of my leg training and it bodied

[aaron_straker]: 9:31

me. I got so nauseous and stuff I could drving home and I was like this is M.

[mike_millner]: 9:32

me. I got so nauseous and stuff I could drving home and I was. It was like ten

[aaron_straker]: 9:35

It was like ten p, M. and I was like I feel absolutely terrible. I'm never

[mike_millner]: 9:37

p M. and I was like, I feel absolutely terrible. I'm never doing this again

[aaron_straker]: 9:39

doing this again and it. It was just one of those things like Why did I think

[mike_millner]: 9:41

and it it was just one of those things. like Why did I think I would be okay?

[aaron_straker]: 9:42

I would be okay? Just like going through my full leg training session And

[mike_millner]: 9:44

Just like going through my full leg training session And then you know, going

[aaron_straker]: 9:46

then you know, going to like literally, zero r, i r on the Penrum squad at

[mike_millner]: 9:47

to like literally, zero r, i r on the Penrulum squad at ten p M, on a Monday

[aaron_straker]: 9:50

ten p M. on a Monday night And I felt absolutely terrible, So I came home

[mike_millner]: 9:52

night and I felt absolutely terrible, So I came home like, ate a little bit

[aaron_straker]: 9:53

like ate a little bit and immediately went to bed

[mike_millner]: 9:55

and immediately went to bed.

[bryan_boorstein]: 9:56

Was it a reminiscent of the Termmoline Hill sprins that you talked about

[mike_millner]: 9:57

Was it a reminiscent of the Tmline Hill sprints that you talked about last

[aaron_straker]: 10:00

N not that bad That that was like A.

[bryan_boorstein]: 10:00

last week

[mike_millner]: 10:01

week? Not that bad. That was like a. That was like a do. Like. Why do I even show up in my life

[aaron_straker]: 10:03

That was like a do. Like why do I even show up in my life anymore? Like those

[mike_millner]: 10:07

anymore? Like those

[aaron_straker]: 10:08

thoughts like just so defeated. you know, but I did get. I got in the car and

[mike_millner]: 10:09

so defeated. You know, but I did get. I got in the car and you know

[aaron_straker]: 10:12

you know immediately drove home after those hillsprins. I would. I'm not

[mike_millner]: 10:13

immediately drove home after those hill sprins? I would. I'm not joking. I

[aaron_straker]: 10:14

joking. I would sit in my truck for twenty minutes, just like just sitting,

[mike_millner]: 10:15

would sit in my trunck for twenty minutes, just like

[bryan_boorstein]: 10:18

questioning life.

[mike_millner]: 10:18

questioning life and questioning life. Yeah, and I only lived like literally.

[aaron_straker]: 10:19

questioning life. Yeah, and I only lived like literally. It's a thirty second

[mike_millner]: 10:22

It's a thirty second drive home and I would just sit there, so

[aaron_straker]: 10:22

drive home and I would just sit there. so yeah, I, not quite that. I'm happy.

[bryan_boorstein]: 10:24

Mhm,

[mike_millner]: 10:25

not quite that. I'm happy. Those days are behind me, but we'll see what the

[aaron_straker]: 10:26

those days are behind me, but we'll see what the future holds. Okay, So

[mike_millner]: 10:28

future holds. Okay. So enough for me,

[aaron_straker]: 10:29

enough for me, so I mean

[mike_millner]: 10:31

Um, Mike. So I mean

[aaron_straker]: 10:32

for for me, right for Brian. I know a lot of the listeners out there like we

[mike_millner]: 10:33

for for me, right for Brian. I know a lot of the listeners out there like Ki.

[aaron_straker]: 10:35

just want to talk about neurotyping. So can you just give us like a basic

[mike_millner]: 10:36

We just want to talk about like you know, neuropyping. So can you just give us like a a basic intro. You know explanation to it and then let's start peeling

[aaron_straker]: 10:39

intro? You know explanation to it and then let's start peeling back the layers of the onion.

[mike_millner]: 10:43

back to layers at this onion. Yeah, yeah, I love it. I've I've been practicing for a very long time of how to keep the explanation shortened to the point, and it's really complicated. but no, it's it's. It's essentially understanding your personality and the role that that plays in your nutrition training and lifestyle, So we can take tests. we can look at brain chemistry. We can look at neuro transmitter balance through blood work, but it doesn't really give us an assessment of the whole system, and that's really what we're assessing with personality traits. So with personality psychology we've looked at. how do we draw conclusions about the neurological makeup of an individual based off of the personality characteristics that they have. So an example would be somebody who is more, Uh, you know a risk taker, somebody who's more extraverted outgoing. Typically, that's going to be very strongly connected with the dope, andergic system, or Dopam, mean receptors in your in your body, So we can safely assume that somebody with those characteristics is either high doping individual, meaning they have high levels of dopine, or they're very sensitive to dope. I mean the receptors are very sensitive. So once we know the these, this kind of neurological makeup of each person based off of their neurotype or the personality type, then we can start to draw conclusions about what's going to be the most effective training protocol for them. What's go to be the most effective nutrition plan And then what are some other variables that we want to look at from a lifestyle perspective? Now when I say what's going to be the best I'm not talking about? Like how do we program optimally for every like, there's five neuroypes. So it's not like there's one program that fits. You know, for every single person who is this one neurotype. What I mean is what are they going to enjoy the most? And how can we create a plan that's kind of w ing with their nature versus fighting against it. So somebody who's more detail oriented, very structured and organized. We're not just goingnna throw a bunch of like random. Uh, you know variety in the mix just because we like to keep something that's consistent and linear for that individual, Because it works with the way that their brain works. If they think linearly, if they think in a very organized manner, we want to keep their training and nutrition in the same fashion, so that it makes sense for them and they're like, Yeah, I can. I can stick with this right, because at the end of the day as coaches, our jobs are basically adherents and sustainability right. Stick with the plan long enough. it's gonna be effective. Uh, if you enjoy it that you know, then we know we've got results for life, because if you enjoy what you're doing, you're gonna stick with it longer. Um, so at the end of the day we're using neurotyping as a tool to create better adherence and compliance and to allow our clients to enjoy the process more while working with their nature versus fighting against it. So I know you should, said short, but as as I mentioned it's it's always a convoluted explanation. Hopefully that makes sense. No, that makes perfect sense. Brian. Do you have any fall ups

[aaron_straker]: 13:28

No, that makes perfect sense, Brian. Do you have any followll ups on that one?

[mike_millner]: 13:31

upon that one?

[bryan_boorstein]: 13:33

Yeah, I mean, if we want to shift a little, Do you have anything

[mike_millner]: 13:33

Yeah, I mean, if we want to shift a little, Do you have anything specifically

[bryan_boorstein]: 13:35

specifically on that

[mike_millner]: 13:36

on that?

[aaron_straker]: 13:37

I just wanted to kind of transition to the conversation. Like. how did you

[mike_millner]: 13:37

I just wanted to kind of transition to the conversation into like, how did you

[aaron_straker]: 13:41

like? How did you begin to facilitate these ideas around? How does this even

[mike_millner]: 13:42

like Mike? how did you begin to facilitate these ideas around? How does this

[aaron_straker]: 13:45

come on? like your radar type thing? To be completely honest, you're the only

[mike_millner]: 13:45

even come on? Like your radar, type of thing you know, 'cause to be completely honest, you're the only person I've ever heard you know talking about this

[aaron_straker]: 13:48

person I've ever heard know talking about this type of? so it's fascinating

[mike_millner]: 13:51

type of thing, So it's it's just, I mean, fascinating on multiple

[aaron_straker]: 13:54

on multiple levels.

[mike_millner]: 13:55

levels, Christian Fibo on Teenian. That was the first time I heard about it.

[bryan_boorstein]: 13:55

Christian fibido on Teation, That was the first time I heard about it

[aaron_straker]: 13:58

Okay, I didn't I just lie to everyone. I did hear about that very briefly,

[mike_millner]: 13:59

Okay, I didn't I just lie to anyone. I did hear about that.

[aaron_straker]: 14:02

but yeah, like the only two. Yeah,

[mike_millner]: 14:03

Yeah, like the only two? Yeah, Yeah, So Christian was my my first mentor and and one of my early coaches And that is exactly where Um. So it's interesting because Charles Pollquin, who actually started talking a lot about Um, in particular, dopea, mean, and how it relates to athletes when he was training high level athletes and most of his high level athletes were doping Du, dominant.

[aaron_straker]: 14:26

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[mike_millner]: 14:26

Uh, and then Christian, you know, kind of was a a student of Charles, and he took that concept another step further and it was like Well, Dopaine is just one neuro transmitter in the body Like, Let's look at all the other systems and how they integrate here. And I remember the first time that I reached out to him. Uh, one of the nicest people you'll ever meet, he offered to to get on a a consultation call totally for free. And we spent two hours onkype, and he was just explaining everything to me about what I had been struggling with. At that point I was struggling with my nutrition, but I was also program hopping with training and I was like, Try, you know, I try cross fit for a little while. I tried body building for a little while I tried power lifting for a little. I just kept jumping from different modalities and I was like. What's wrong with me? like I can't stick with anything, even though I, I understand the science behind it. I know what makes an effective program. For some reason, I just can't stick with it, And he started explaining to me My personality type is, you're a type two. A, you're adrenaline dominant. You're like myself. We need variety if we get. If if something becomes repetitive, we lose interest, we get bored, we lose motivation and we look for the next thing. Um, and it was like the whole two hour conversation was just a series of aha moments and light bulb moments. I'm like man. this is. This makes too much sense for me to ignore. Um. so I started working with him as he was implementing the system very early on in the process, and tibs is very big on. like when it comes to to building muscle and building strength. And uh, you know, he's as good as it gets, and his his. That's where his passion is, but I felt like there was this whole other area on the nutrition side where that was my passion. It was like this. If this makes sense with with training and I can see that it like once I started doing his programming. Uh, my body changed very quickly and I actually enjoyed my workouts and I was like Man this like he's on to something here. Um, so I started doing my own research. I started, like, really, diving in on on the psychology side of things, which is a big

[aaron_straker]: 16:25

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[mike_millner]: 16:25

passion of mine, and connecting the dots between that and nutrition and lifestyle. I wanted to be able to bridge the gap to the general population individual who. really, maybe they don't care so much about. You know, the science of muscular hypertrophy and all of these things that we love to nert out on. But like, how can I take these concepts and make it applicable to the everyday person who just wants to be healthy and fit and stick with a program for a while. Um? And so that was you know where, Uh, and and Christian has been instrumental in that process, and and just giving me the tools and resources and then doing my own research in in personality psychology and Um, and just really evolving it to what it is now with with what we utilize at at my company

[bryan_boorstein]: 17:11

Is the

[mike_millner]: 17:11

is the Um. Okay, but we.

[bryan_boorstein]: 17:13

we. We should probably talk about the five different types right? So is it

[mike_millner]: 17:13

we should probably talk about the five different type? right? So is it one a

[bryan_boorstein]: 17:16

one a one B, two, a, two, B and three.

[mike_millner]: 17:17

one B, two, a, two b and three. Yup? That's exactly.

[bryan_boorstein]: 17:20

Can you talk about what? Each one kind of the distinguishing

[mike_millner]: 17:20

Can you talk about what? Each one kind of distinguishing characteristics of

[bryan_boorstein]: 17:23

characteristics of each

[mike_millner]: 17:24

each? Yeah, Absolutely so. when we look at the five different neurotypes, that doesn't mean that there's only five personalities in existence. It's just an easy way to group them. Um to help understand the concepts here. So every single person is going to be a mix of multiple personality types because we have our genetic make upp. But then we also have our life experience how we were raised. the environment we were raised in. Are you know? everything that we go through shapes our personality. Uh, and when you look at the research and personality psychology, basically what it says is that we start with this personality Um, where it's like, kind of our our genetic predisposition and then we just accumulate more. so it kind of broadens as we evolve as we grow as we get older. Um, So an example would be like somebody who is naturally introverted like myself. That doesn't mean that extravertedness is unattainable. It just means that if my personality is starting like over here on the right side and extravertness is here on the left side, it means just to have a longer distance to go to become more

[aaron_straker]: 18:26

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[mike_millner]: 18:29

extraverted. Whereas somebody who's more naturally extraverted on the left side right, they don't have a far distance to go. Um, to you know, obtain that personality trait So everything is modifiable based off of your life experience and and what you want to accomplish. Um. Having said that, we do have a genetic predisposit predisposition, which, when we group the five neurotypes, we look at it from what is the main neuro transmitter system that drives their behavior, So type one A, they are driven mostly by dopine. the pleasure response Um. All all habit formations are are created through the the dopamine receptors and response to our own dope, Mean it's very powerful. There's a reason why. Uh, most decisions are made off of like fommo, Um. And and they're emotional, Because the the emotional trigger of like getting a dopamine response, like when you're gambling, or you know whatever people are doing to elicit that response jumping out of a plane like there's there is a an intense feeling, Um, that is triggered from dopeam, mean, which creates and facilitates behavior change. Like every, every uh habit or every behavior change, there's there's a trigger. There's an action and there's a reward. most of the time. The reward is just from our own dopaming, Um, So with type one A, they're very outgoing. They're very extraverted. Uh, because they are sensitive to dopam, mean, so they're like the leaders of the group. They're very vocal. They're they're very argumentative. They take up a lot of space both physically and verbally, So you kind of know when the one A enters the room, there's somebody that's like a natural leader. Uh, they demand attention. Uh, they are who they are and they don't give a fuck what anybody thinks like. they're not going to change for somebody else. This is who they are. Um. So when it comes to like their training preferences, this is somebody who loves to win every workout. The competitive drive is intense. You think of like just a like a natural

[aaron_straker]: 20:26

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[mike_millner]: 20:26

born killer like in Michael Jordan like

[bryan_boorstein]: 20:27

Mhm?

[mike_millner]: 20:28

they're gonna win no matter what, And that's how they approach every workout. Um, then when you shift down to a one, B dopine is still the system that drives their behavior. The biggest difference is that one bes have very high levels of aseto coline, Uh, Cetoolon is an interesting Neurrow transmitter that plays a role in in Mam memory cognant function. Um. It also plays a role in a muscle reaction speed. Um, and so we, we have aseto coline and our muscle spindles. And and so we have Uh, individuals who are high asetooline like they have high levels of aseto coine. They're very naturally gifted, very explosive. and that's kind of like their personality, explosive personality. They're also leaders, but they're more of like the lead by example versus a one. A, who is more of like the vocal. Like you know, I'm the leader 'cause I'm going to talk louder than everyone versus a one. B. Who's like I'm gonna show you that I'm the leader. Uh, they're They're great at multiasking because ofseudo cone. Um, it. It allows your brain to shift from active. There's actually Multasking is kind of a myth. Uh, we don't have the ability to focus on two things, but our brain can focus so quickly back and forth that it gives the appearance of multasking which aseto coolline facilitates. So they have great short term memory. Great at multiasking. they're very imaginative, Uh, very explosive, naturally athletic. So they're the individual where you show them a complex movement and you just show them once and they know it just like that. Uh, so very naturally gifted. they are also the individuals that perform well with Uh lifts that utilize the stretch reflex If you see somebody like bouncing a bar off their chest. Typically it's because they have high levels of a psetool, and they actually feel better getting that momentum and allowing that stretch reflex to hit Uh other things with their personality that their explosiveness can be uh with just in everyday life. So if you've ever met somebody who you can get into like a blowo argument like they go zero to a hundred very quickly, But then they go back to zero again, and to them it's like it never happened and you are like dwelling on it and you're like. Oh, that argument was awful. I can't believe that and they're like. What do you talk about like it's done? It's over with, so they can go from zero to a hundred and back to zero very quickly. Um, similar to

[aaron_straker]: 22:41

I. I have a good question about that. so um, so there's a. There's a website,

[mike_millner]: 22:41

your. I. I have a good question about that. Yeah, so um, I, so there's a. There's a website. Neutropics depot dot com like I'm just put out there. I'm

[aaron_straker]: 22:45

Neutropics depot dot com like, I'm just but out. I'm not affiliated whatsoever. They just put out some qualityts and I know like a seaal Coing is

[mike_millner]: 22:49

not affiliated. Like whatsoever. They just put out some quality products and stuff, And I know like Aetal Coin is one thing that like people are beginning

[aaron_straker]: 22:53

one thing that like people are beginning to supplement. Like more of in D. I

[mike_millner]: 22:55

to supplement. Like more of in D. I just, I'm just curious if you have any

[aaron_straker]: 22:57

just I'm just curious if you have any experience with that or if someone,

[mike_millner]: 23:00

experience with that or if someone may be, which this is kind of a little

[aaron_straker]: 23:01

maybe, which this is kind of a

[mike_millner]: 23:03

bit of a of a of a downstream question. I I do have is like, can you do things

[aaron_straker]: 23:03

of of a downstream question. I do. Can you do things to help you shift

[mike_millner]: 23:07

to help you shift between some of the subclassifications? Yeah, so it's a

[aaron_straker]: 23:08

between some of the subclassifications?

[mike_millner]: 23:12

great question. Um, Yeah, I do have a lot of um experience with that. So with aseto cone it's always in. It depends answer, because if a type one B who already has high levels of a psetooline takes more, it could actually be a negative. They can actually feel worse. A type one A who has low levels of a psetooline and they take some. They'll actually feel a lot better. Acieto cone, In some way, shape or form protects all of the other neuro transmitters Because Uh, we have neuro transmitters that amplify and amp up brain activity, dopeamine, uh, glutomate, adrenaline, Those are all amplifiers. They. They activate your brain speed to get you ready for whatever it is that you're trying to do. Then we have neuroramitters that calm the brain down. They want to shut off the nervous system. Ctonin, and Gaba, being the main toosetocoline, actually plays a role in both amplification and inhibition, so it protects all of the other neuro transmitters. When a psetooline is high, we don't rely on as as much adrenaline to get us ready for a stress or whatever stressful event we're about to face, And if we don't so now what we' we'll You'll see how how all the dots are connected. Adrenaline is fabricated downstream from dopamine. So you've got dopamine, no adrenaline adrenaline. The more dopamine that you use that you convert into adrenaline, the more you're depleting dobam mean. So if I'm riding high on adrenaline for way too long, I'm depleting dopamine in that process right So if I have aceeto coolline, that's higher and I'm not relying as much on adrenaline. Well now I'm preserving dopea, Me by preserving dop, mean I'm preserving no adrenaline adrenaline by preserving those neuro transmitters. I'm actually relying less on the inhibitors because I'm not getting as amped up. My

[bryan_boorstein]: 25:03

Hm,

[mike_millner]: 25:03

adrenaline output is not as high, so I don't need as much Gaba. And serotonin to calm the brain down. so it kind of connects. And that's why so many people are fascinated by asetoolline supplementation at this point, Because it does help protect all the other neuro. transmitters. However, you have to understand where you're at it. It just adding more. like, more of a good thing can become a bad thing. Um, so it's always a matter of like, start small, see how you feel and then go from there. That's typically my recommendation. Other if I know that an individual is already a high, somebody who has high levels of asetool, and then I'll tell him just to skip it. like the type one B personalities You can usually tell pretty quickly. Um. And and they'll feel like crap if they supplement with it. Got okay, Sda, cona deo. There are just like I I know. Forget if I

[aaron_straker]: 25:46

Got look at sada cana de rail. Your thereir is just like I know. Forget if fight. don't ask right now.

[mike_millner]: 25:51

don't ask, Yeah, No, it's it makes sensecause. Then it helps the understanding of of everything that we're or talking about, Um, type two, A, my neurotype. Uh, we are adrenaline dominant. So that's the main system that drives our behavior. What that looks like is we're very sensitive to any increase in adrenaline. So when we're at rest, adrenaline's very low. When you're sensitive to a Neurrow transmitter or a hormone. Typically you have lower levels at rest because you don't need to produce as much to get the job done right. If I was resistant. it's like the message is not getting home to the cells, so you keep producing more like

[aaron_straker]: 26:26

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[mike_millner]: 26:29

insulin resistance. Your body keeps putting putting out more insulin because the receptors are not getting that message right. It's like a locking key. Try to unlock the door, but it's not opening. so it's like Let's try harder. Let's produce more. Let's knock louder. Um. I always use the example of like, uh, it's It's the equivalent of um, resistance, or or sensitivity to like alcohol. So, if you think of alcohol sensitivity, which would be like, May I only need one drink to get the job done right, But if I am resistant, I need to keep drinking a lot to get the same results. So Um, with adrenaline, because we're sensitive to it, we have low levels at rest, which means we're typically pretty introverted quiet docile. But you put us in A in a situation where adrenaline is amplified, and all of a sudden we become like this alpha version of ourselves like you're in a stressful situation. A two A is gonna come alive. They're going to be way more outgoing, way more talkative, way more extraverted. It's almost like the Incredible Hulk Bo Bruce Banner, you know, Kind of example. you've got the quiet, you know, nerdy scientist, and then you've got the incredible hook that comes out with that adrenaline. Um, So that's very similar to a A type to a, Uh, we are also people pleasers, uh, we are very, uh, we. we like to try new things. So it's variety is a huge thing, because if we're sensitive to adrenaline any time you try something new, you're going to get that adrenaline response from it when it becomes repetitive. You no longer get the same adrenaline response so you get bored very easily. Type two as get bored very easily. Um, And so those are some of the characteristics there. Typically with training we like to program Hop. we like to try different things A lot of two as gravitate towards cross Itt, Because there's kind of that natural variety built into it right. No two workouts are the same That usually works well for a type to a. Uh. Then we got tach two bes. Uh. the main neuro transmitter system, Uh, for them is glutimate glutate, His neuro transmitter. That's kind of like our emotional amplifier.

[aaron_straker]: 28:26

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[mike_millner]: 28:28

It also plays a role in memory. Um. but when you have high levels of glutamate, your emotions are very intense. They're They're amplified. So when you feel like happy, you feel euphoric with you with high levels of glutate, or if you're you're sad, you feel like depressed with high levels of glutamate. So two bes are very emotional beings. They, they make decisions with emotion, they, they, they like to feel. So they're the people that love the the mind muscle connection, the pump, they love to feel things. Um, they, they are also people pleaseeasers. They uh will do anything for like people that they they admire or respect. So they're like, You know, the hockey player that's going to dive in front of the the net for for a goalie to block a puck right, they'll they'll give themselves to another person. Uh, they fall in love very easily. They're the ones that typically get their heart brokens. like pour all of themselves into other people. Um, and so, and that's typically what we see with type two bes. Uh. They also like, you know when they get almost addicted to the positive feelings of certain situations. So you know if they, they get dressed up and they feel really good about themselves like they. they love to dress really nice and get that feeling of because it's all. It's all the emotional amplification for them. Um, and then, lastly, we have a type three. type three. The main system is Uh, saratoning saraton, and being responsible for calming the brain down. Um, with them, they actually have low levels of seratoning, which drives their anxiety up. so they're typically the people that are higher anxiety, higher stress individuals, Um, they're They're very detail oriented, very structured. They like repetition. They like predictability. They like to know what's coming. They don't like to take risks if you think about the reasoning behind that. if you have lower Certone, so it's harder to calm your brain down. Uncertainty and unpredictability is going to drive that further. So that's why they love routine. They love structure. If I know what's coming, I don't have to worry as much as predictable. It's planned, so they love to know, like

[aaron_straker]: 30:26

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[mike_millner]: 30:28

their plans as far out in advance. I don't know if you guys ever had clients you're like. Do you tell me what the next like? thirty six weeks are going to look like and we're like, Let let's just get through a week one. but they want to know everything in advance. Um, so that's typically what we see with a type three, So with them, uh, it's really about feeling safe. it's about feeling in control. It's mastering the movement through repetition. Um, They, they like to. They can become efficient at anything, but they just need the time to put in the reps to get comfortable with mastering that movement so they feel in control.

[bryan_boorstein]: 30:58

I'm sure you, uh, get this response a lot. But as you were going through

[mike_millner]: 30:58

I'm sure you, uh, get this response a lot. But as you were going through

[bryan_boorstein]: 31:02

listing off kind of the personality traits of each of those, I literally

[mike_millner]: 31:03

listing off kind of the personality traits of each of those, I literally felt

[bryan_boorstein]: 31:06

felt like there was a piece of me identified in each one and that there

[mike_millner]: 31:07

like there was a piece of me identified in each one and that there were pieces

[bryan_boorstein]: 31:10

were pieces of each one that I was like. That's not me at all.

[mike_millner]: 31:10

of each one that I was like. That's not me at all. Yeah, very common. So, like I said, everybody's going to have that like one dominant type,

[bryan_boorstein]: 31:17

Yeah,

[mike_millner]: 31:17

And then you're going to have uh, your secondary type and then you're going to have a th. so, Uh, we want to know all parts of the equation. All parts of like, you know, what's your your dominant profile? What's your secondary

[bryan_boorstein]: 31:28

Mhm,

[mike_millner]: 31:28

profile? Um, nobody's ever going to be like. One hundred percent of those characteristics fit me to a team.

[bryan_boorstein]: 31:34

right, right.

[mike_millner]: 31:35

Um, so we just have to look at what's the one that in, you know. For the most part, you feel like most resonates with you.

[bryan_boorstein]: 31:43

I, um, I did the test you sent me a number of years ago in like two

[mike_millner]: 31:43

I, um, I did the test you sent me a number of years ago in like two thousand,

[bryan_boorstein]: 31:46

thousand, seventeen, Eighteen, Something like that. Are you still using the

[mike_millner]: 31:47

seventeen, eighteen. Something like that. Are you still using the same

[bryan_boorstein]: 31:50

same teststery version of that test?

[mike_millner]: 31:50

teststery version of that test? Yeah, yeah, it's still the same test. I believe that cool. So are there two hundred and twenty four total points

[bryan_boorstein]: 31:53

Okay, cool. So are there two hundred and twenty four total points available? Is that right?

[mike_millner]: 31:57

available? Is that right? Um, that's a great question. I, honestly,

[bryan_boorstein]: 32:00

Okay?

[mike_millner]: 32:00

I don't know what the total actually. When I just went through, I just looked up my old, my old chart and

[bryan_boorstein]: 32:01

So I just went through. I just looked up my old, my old chart and found my

[mike_millner]: 32:05

found my scores from when we did this, and added them up, and there were two

[bryan_boorstein]: 32:05

scores from when we did this and added them up. And there were two hundred

[mike_millner]: 32:08

hundred and twenty four total points. My most dominant category had eighty

[bryan_boorstein]: 32:08

and twenty four total points. My most dominant category had eighty eight

[mike_millner]: 32:11

eight points. So it was like very, very, spread relatively evenly throughout.

[bryan_boorstein]: 32:12

points, So it was like very, very, spread relatively evenly throughout. I

[mike_millner]: 32:16

I had a eighty eight, uh, for one B, and then I had a forty eight for three.

[bryan_boorstein]: 32:16

had a eighty eight, uh, for one B, and then I had a forty eight for three,

[mike_millner]: 32:21

Um, and then all the other ones were in the twenties. So so it's just like

[bryan_boorstein]: 32:21

and then all the other ones were in the twenties, so it's just like this

[mike_millner]: 32:24

this weird mix of all, like I do have that rigidity in that structure and I

[bryan_boorstein]: 32:24

weird mix like I do have that rigidity in that structure and I love knowing

[mike_millner]: 32:28

love knowing what's happening thirty six weeks from now, Um type thing, But

[bryan_boorstein]: 32:28

what's happening thirty six weeks from now, Um type thing, but then I also,

[mike_millner]: 32:32

then I also, I. I. I hear the line as much to be honest with with what you

[bryan_boorstein]: 32:33

I. I didn't know line as much to be honest with with what you were saying

[mike_millner]: 32:36

were saying about the one Bs. but according to the tests, that's where the

[bryan_boorstein]: 32:37

about the one bes, but according to the test, that's where the majority of

[mike_millner]: 32:40

majority of my chunk was. Yeah, and it's interesting 'cause often times we'll

[bryan_boorstein]: 32:40

my chunk was.

[mike_millner]: 32:43

see type two as are the ones where we kind of find a piece of ourselves because we crave variety And and we also have Um, the ability to kind of take on the the behaviors of people like we can. We can modify our behavior very well to fit in, or like social chameleons. We can

[bryan_boorstein]: 33:04

Mhm,

[mike_millner]: 33:04

kind of fit in to any situation, so in certain times we might be more extraver. At certain times we might be more introverted. Certain times we can fit this characterist so typically when somebody's like, You know what? all of them kind of resonate a little bit with me. That's usually a sign of a two. a.

[bryan_boorstein]: 33:20

Hm, that was my lowest score.

[mike_millner]: 33:20

Um, so that was my lowest score, so so yeah, so looking at like the one, b and two as have similarities, you know,

[bryan_boorstein]: 33:27

Okay.

[mike_millner]: 33:27

'cause of sometimes differentiating there. but you know it's it's always like and it'd be interesting to see if you if you took the assessment again,

[bryan_boorstein]: 33:34

I'm going to do it and I know that was like my first thought, as after this

[mike_millner]: 33:34

how I'm going to do it. You know that was like my first thought, as after this

[bryan_boorstein]: 33:36

show's over, I'm going to take it. I might send it over to air. and if

[mike_millner]: 33:36

show's over, I and I'm going to take it. I might send it over to air. And if

[bryan_boorstein]: 33:39

that's cool too, and have him do it.

[mike_millner]: 33:39

that's cool too, and he and do it. and um,

[bryan_boorstein]: 33:41

But no that. that's all super interesting. Erir, in any follow ups on on

[mike_millner]: 33:41

but no, that. That's all it super interesting, Erir, and any follow ups on

[bryan_boorstein]: 33:44

that stuff,

[aaron_straker]: 33:45

Yeah, I was as bike was going through. I was like taking like some of quick

[mike_millner]: 33:45

on that stuff? Yeah, I was as bike was going through. I was like taking like

[aaron_straker]: 33:48

notes cause like, like my. I'm listening to like, Oh, yeah, I'm not one And

[mike_millner]: 33:48

some of quick notes because like my said, I'm I'm listening to him like. Oh,

[aaron_straker]: 33:51

then he would keep going.

[mike_millner]: 33:51

yeah, Im. I'm not one. and then he would keep going and

[aaron_straker]: 33:53

Im like I don't know now. so yeah, Mike. is there? Is there a test that you

[mike_millner]: 33:53

I'm like Ah, I don't know now. So yeah, Mike is there or or bro. Is there a

[aaron_straker]: 33:57

would cause? I'm sure once someone, the listeners listen to the Stck. I want

[mike_millner]: 33:57

test that you would, 'cause I'm sure once when the listeners listen to the

[aaron_straker]: 34:00

to do that and see you know what? what Uh might be most applicable to me? A

[mike_millner]: 34:00

strict, I want to do that and see you know what what Uh might be most applicable to me? So Waszica a website? Or do you have one on your site? Mike,

[aaron_straker]: 34:05

Webite? Or do you have one on your side, Mike, or anything like that that you would recommend

[mike_millner]: 34:07

or you? anything like that? Youd recommend? Yeah, the one on my site is free. They can just go to a neuroype training Dot Com,

[aaron_straker]: 34:12

Okay

[mike_millner]: 34:13

and uh, it's right there on the on the main site. Uh, you can take the assessment. It's a hundred questions. Um. As you mentioned, the points it can actually vary because if you answer something, it could end up being negative points. If depending on the score, so uh, the point total can vary depending on what your answers

[aaron_straker]: 34:28

gotch, you,

[mike_millner]: 34:28

are. Gotcha gotcha.

[bryan_boorstein]: 34:29

so can you briefly expand on? You mentioned that some types, like

[mike_millner]: 34:30

So can you briefly expand on? You mentioned that some types, like specifically

[bryan_boorstein]: 34:34

specifically the twos, prefer variation, and that the three don't prefer

[mike_millner]: 34:35

the twos, prefer variation, and that the threes don't prefer variation. Um, so

[bryan_boorstein]: 34:39

variation. So can you expand on that a little and then we do the ones one a

[mike_millner]: 34:40

can you expand on that a little? And then where do the ones one, a one B, fall

[bryan_boorstein]: 34:43

one B fall as far as like preferring variation in their training.

[mike_millner]: 34:44

as far as like preferring variation in their training. Yeah, so typically one bes and two as are the ones that crave the most variety, And the reason for that is with the two ass. it's because of adrenaline. Um, with the one bees, it's because of aceeto coline, Um, because they get, they like to be challenged and they like to have multiple things that they're focusing on, Um, so they'll also get bored very quickly. Uh, same thing with two ass. We get bored very quickly, so they do the best with variety. Typically the two Bs and threes, Anybody that is a higher anxiety individual. Usually the more anxiety you have the less variety you crave so two bs and threes typically are the highest in anxiety. Uh, they're the most anxious Three's being, usually being a little bit more. So, um, because variety can can throw you off if you don't know what's coming, or if you're doing a new movement that you've never done before, things like that. So with two Bs and threes they do like more predictability. Typically two bees like to follow, more of like a traditional bodybuilding style of of programming and threes. They just like something that's like, very linear and structured and and they know what's coming, one as' don't need that much variety as long as they can push and feel like they're winning like they only care about adding more weight to the bar. They care about winning the workout they care about. There's like that competitive drive. They don't need a lot of variety as long as they can put forth like max, effort, and like, go all out and have that feeling. After a workout they don't need as much variety. So two bees, I'm sorry, one bes and two, as are the neurotypes that crave the most variety,

[bryan_boorstein]: 36:23

Mhm, Mhm,

[mike_millner]: 36:24

two bees and threes crave the least friide.

[aaron_straker]: 36:26

Ssssssssssssss.

[bryan_boorstein]: 36:28

what would you say

[mike_millner]: 36:28

what would you say

[bryan_boorstein]: 36:31

when you're looking at the different sports that people can do within Stre

[mike_millner]: 36:31

when you're looking at the different sports that people can do within strength

[bryan_boorstein]: 36:34

sports and you have like crosst and power lifting and bodyuilding

[mike_millner]: 36:35

sports? and you have like cross fit and power lifting and bodyuilding and

[bryan_boorstein]: 36:39

strong? Each one of these sports has like different characteristics of

[mike_millner]: 36:39

strong man, And like each one of these sports has like different characteristics of whether they have variety or don't have variety. Right, So

[bryan_boorstein]: 36:43

whether they have variety or don't have variety. right. So what about in a

[mike_millner]: 36:46

what about in a situation where an athlete comes to you and

[bryan_boorstein]: 36:47

situation where an athlete comes to you and the sport that they arere pursuing doesn't actually match up with their

[mike_millner]: 36:50

the sport that they're pursuing doesn't actually match up with their neurotype

[bryan_boorstein]: 36:53

neurotype, like a, two B or three wants to do cross fit, or somebody who is

[mike_millner]: 36:54

like a, two B or a three wants to do cross fit or somebody who is like a, one

[bryan_boorstein]: 36:58

like a, one a or one B. I, one B is my dominant one, which means I should

[mike_millner]: 36:58

a or one B. I mean myself like I. One B is my dominant one, which means I should crave variety. And yet I'm pursuing physique, which is the most

[bryan_boorstein]: 37:02

create variety, And yet I'm pursuing physique, which is the most regimented

[mike_millner]: 37:06

regimented and

[bryan_boorstein]: 37:06

and bordering on monotonous application of strength for it,

[mike_millner]: 37:08

bordering on monotonous application of strength for it. Yeah, yeah, so it's a great question. Um. so first I'll go over like the tendencies, and then we'll talk about how you go against the grain a little bit. Um. so one it one. A' typically gravitate towards power lifting or strong man. Uh, because it facilitates that that you know lift heavier, add weight. Uh, one bes will will typically be like Olympic lifters or cross fit. Uh, two ass, cross fit is usually the main sport that they gravitate towards two Bes would be, Um, anything aesthetically driven bodybuilding bikini. That sort of thing and then type threes can typically gravitate more towards endurance. They like the repetitive nature of just long distance running or cycling. Um, if it comes to like strength, uh, based sports, then they can do anything. We have some type three clients that do really well across Itit. but again it comes from feeling in total control of the movement, so they've had to master the movement pattern. They like to you know, Ma, they their techniqueeks, They want to know exactly how to perform each lift. they want to work their way up. They want to you know, just feel in total control of every movement so they can be power lifters. They can be, you know, Olympic lifters. they can be crossed athletes, but they need to feel in total control of each movement before they progress Now When you go against the grain, What's interesting is there's different parts of what makes like using

[aaron_straker]: 38:26

Ssssssssssssss.

[mike_millner]: 38:30

your example. A one b, one bes Are are typically competitive as well, so there is also the competitive drive of one bes. Oftenimes we'll do a little bit more extreme things because they have that competitive nature. though'. like a lot of our clients that come to us from from like extreme dieting. A lot of times they're one bees. They're like. I'm just going to rip the bandad off and I'm just go to like you know, I'm going to hit this seventy five hard for the next seventy five days. I'm just going to do it because I know I can, so they'll challenge themselves with things like that, which is typically what we see. Um, even in something like bodybuilding, even though it's it's redundant. It's repetitive. Um, because it's it's kind of triggering that competitive side of you've got a goal. You've got an outcome. They're very goal oriented. Typewan bees are very gold driven. So if you're like here's here's the goal that you're working towards. They'll typically do whatever it takes to get there. Um. Now, interestingly enough, two bes would would be the worst candidates to be power lifters. They love mind muscle connection. They love the pump. They love how they feel After you know getting that pump, Um, Paul Carter is is a two b. but he competed in power lifting and he hated it. Yeah, he always talks about it. I

[bryan_boorstein]: 39:37

H, and he hated it. Yeah, he always talked about. I like the worst time for

[mike_millner]: 39:41

don't think the worst time ever is going again in nature. And and he talked

[bryan_boorstein]: 39:41

him.

[mike_millner]: 39:44

about when he was training for power lifting. he very rarely did fewer than six reps. He never. He very rarely pushed his Max for for a low rep count because he kind of had that natural inclination that it was against his nature. This was before he had an understanding of neurotyping, and him and and Christian are close friends, so he knows he's very familiar with the system and how it works now, but he talked about that. I. I saw him present and he said it was just a a natural inclination to to not just do like the one ret, maxis, ands to stick with six reps or more, even as he was training and getting ready

[bryan_boorstein]: 40:17

Mhm.

[mike_millner]: 40:18

for a competition. so he kind of trained and more towards his neurotype, even in application for something that would be against his neurotype. Mhm,

[bryan_boorstein]: 40:26

Yeah, I think the application of the the one B dominance for me as you were

[mike_millner]: 40:26

yeah, I think the application of the the one B dominance for me, as you were

[bryan_boorstein]: 40:30

going through, that is, is a the goal oriented behavior of. like you know,

[mike_millner]: 40:30

going through, that is, is a the goal oriented behavior of like you know, this

[bryan_boorstein]: 40:34

this is what I have to do to show up and like achieve the thing that's like

[mike_millner]: 40:35

is what I have to do to show up and like achieve the thing that's like in my

[bryan_boorstein]: 40:37

in my mind to achieve. And then second, I kind of wonder whether the one B

[mike_millner]: 40:38

mind to achieve. And then second, I kind of wonder whether the one B also has

[bryan_boorstein]: 40:42

also has influenced my like personal desire to train lifts mostly to like

[mike_millner]: 40:43

influenced my like personal desire to train lifts mostly to like zero to one

[bryan_boorstein]: 40:48

zero to one reps from failure, and like institute things like partial reps

[mike_millner]: 40:49

reps from failure, and like institute things like partial reps and beyond

[bryan_boorstein]: 40:51

and beyond failure techniques. and like that where I wasn't like super

[mike_millner]: 40:52

failure, techniques and stuff like that where I wasn't like super happy doing

[bryan_boorstein]: 40:55

happy doing like a higher volume approach, Stopping, you know, three rupshy

[mike_millner]: 40:56

like a higher volume approach, stopping, you know, three rap shiy failure, but

[bryan_boorstein]: 40:59

failure, but doing more of everything like that wasn't vibing with me as

[mike_millner]: 41:00

doing more of everything like that wasn't vibing with me as much as coming in,

[bryan_boorstein]: 41:03

much as coming in, and like exerting effort and uh, pushing to my limits,

[mike_millner]: 41:04

and like exerting effort and uh, pushing to my limits, so to speak, Yeah, that

[bryan_boorstein]: 41:08

so to speak,

[mike_millner]: 41:09

would be very conducive to. Like a type one, be for sure, Um, it. it's stimulating. more of like challenging different parts of your brain which one mays need that like they need something. which is why one be often will do more like super sets and things like that where there's multiple things that you could focus on or intensification methods. two ass and one Bs. love the intensity methods, Um, versus, just like you said, Doing more.

[aaron_straker]: 41:35

So a couple of questions for you,

[mike_millner]: 41:36

so a couple of questions. Were you

[aaron_straker]: 41:38

one like. Is there any kind of way that you know that some of these things we

[mike_millner]: 41:38

um, one like? Is there any kind of way that you know that these some of these

[aaron_straker]: 41:43

talk about, especially likerrow transmitter dominance, there can be monitor

[mike_millner]: 41:43

things we talk about, especially like neuro transmitter, dominance? Uh, there can be monitor measured like from a physiological standpoint, Yes, you can do.

[aaron_straker]: 41:47

measured f from a physiological standpoint

[mike_millner]: 41:51

You can do blood work and see where your levels are. But the the issue that I have with that is it only gives you a snaps sht in time, and it doesn't tell you the efficacy of the system as a whole, So you could say At that point in you know the snapshot that it was taken. I had high levels of dopine, I had high levels of you know a pseidooline. But what if your dopeine receptors are shot or Um, you know your your psetool in response is not what it should be. The The, The system as a whole, So right now as it stands, the most effective way is to monitor behavior. Um. And you know the blood work tells us some information, but it really doesn't tell the whole story, so we need to see uh how things are actually playing out when it comes to behavior. Now the biggest disruptor of homeostasis pretty much with all things is stress. so when you're under periods of chronic stress, that's when you'll see people starting to take on behaviors of a neurotype. that's not their dominant type, you'll typically see like I know when I'm under a lot of stress. Type two, as are the most sensitive to stress because we're adrenaline dominant. I'll start to act like a two B. I'll get way more emotional. I'll get way all like in my fields, I'll get in my head about things. I'll dwell on things longer than I normally do. Um, so I start to act like a two B when I'm under periods of of more stress, and then when I'm feeling good about it, I start to. It's like periods of euphoria. I start to act more like a one B. I'm more of like a a natural leader. I'm a little bit more extraverted. Um, I start to set more ambitious goals for myself, so it always depends. Um, That's where I think like the. The blood work can kind of be tricky because it doesn't really tell us the whole story,

[aaron_straker]: 43:26

Perfect. thank you for saying that, and that it makes perfect sense. Um. the

[mike_millner]: 43:27

perfect. Thank you for saying that and that, and it makes perfect sense. Um.

[aaron_straker]: 43:30

next question I have for you and this one is something that. uh, so let me

[mike_millner]: 43:31

the next question I have for you and this one is something that, uh, so let me

[aaron_straker]: 43:34

ask it and then'll kind of preface it a little bit. So do you think kind of

[mike_millner]: 43:35

ask it and then I'll kind of prefere it a little bit. So do you think kind of

[aaron_straker]: 43:37

as someone? Um, especially as we you know, get into our mid late twenties,

[mike_millner]: 43:38

as someone? Um, especially as we you know, get into our mid late twenties,

[aaron_straker]: 43:41

thirties, and stuff like that, and really like self development becomes like

[mike_millner]: 43:42

thirties, and stuff like that, and really like self development becomes like a

[aaron_straker]: 43:45

a very more just prominent aspect of our lives. and like you know, evolving

[mike_millner]: 43:46

very more just prominent aspect of our lives. and like you know, evolving to

[aaron_straker]: 43:49

to become that you know that next level of ourselves. Do you think that some

[mike_millner]: 43:50

become that you know that next level of ourselves. Do you think that some of

[aaron_straker]: 43:53

of uh, we can shift between the different systems you our um. neurotypes. For

[mike_millner]: 43:55

uh, we can shift between the different systems? You know, our Um neurotypes.

[aaron_straker]: 43:58

example, you know, with you scaling your business now and having like you

[mike_millner]: 43:58

For example, you know, with you scaling your business now and having like you

[aaron_straker]: 44:02

know, ten, uh, ten plus uh, assistant coaches and stuff under you, I'm sure

[mike_millner]: 44:03

know, ten, uh, ten plus uh, assistant coaches and stuff under you, I'm sure

[aaron_straker]: 44:07

there are characteristics that maybe you know Mike of like four years ago,

[mike_millner]: 44:08

there characteristics that maybe you know Mike of like four years ago,

[aaron_straker]: 44:11

naturally didn't have that you needed to like, acquire and change in order to

[mike_millner]: 44:12

naturally didn't have that you needed to like, acquire and change in order to

[aaron_straker]: 44:15

become like you know, twenty twenty two. Like you now, does these things.

[mike_millner]: 44:16

become like you know, twenty twenty two Mi. You now does these things. Yeah, so it's a. It's a great question, and the answer is a little bit of yes and no, And and I'll say, changing like your, your dominant type is not really kind of what we're doing when we acquire those skills to become like the. The whole, you know, Sf. self actualization, and and becoming better versions of Ourrself. Like I, I took a course with Uh. Jordan Peterson, and he explains it, as you know, the personality tool box, and he's like you have this tool box that you were born with, And then your goal is to add as many tools to that toolbx from a personality like you. You should be adding tools to your personality tool box all throughout your life. and that's the constant pursuit of getting better. It's not that that original tool box chain or like is is now different. It's just like you still have that one that you were born with. You've just added a lot of tools to that tool, Boox, or you've sharpened some of the tools in that original tool box, and that's kind of his explanation, which I think fits well because it answers your question. Yes, you're different because you've acquired all of those new skills, but you're still the same because it was that same original Twelve bucks. If that kind of makes sense. No, it does, And it and I ask mostly from like a a personal

[aaron_straker]: 45:21

No, it does, And it and I ask mostly from. like a, a personal exploration type thing, like I'm I'm interested. I'm going to, right after you get off

[mike_millner]: 45:26

exploration type thing, but I'm I'm interested. I'm gonna right after you get

[aaron_straker]: 45:28

this. I'm going to go through it and find out, but I mean, naturally,

[mike_millner]: 45:29

off this. I'm goingnna go through it and find out, but I mean, naturally

[aaron_straker]: 45:31

incredibly incredibly introverted myself. and it's through, you know,

[mike_millner]: 45:32

incredibly incredibly introverted myself. and it's through you know, straight

[aaron_straker]: 45:34

Strakeing nutrition Coe. A lot of like the podcasts and stuff like that that.

[mike_millner]: 45:35

and nutrition code. A lot of like the podcasts and stuff like that that. it's

[aaron_straker]: 45:38

it's forced me to explore these different things. Um, but uh, for for

[mike_millner]: 45:39

forced me to explore these different things. Um, but uh, for for instance,

[aaron_straker]: 45:43

instance, like my, my girlfriend's going to leave for like seven or eight

[mike_millner]: 45:45

like my, my girlfriend's go to leave for like seven or eight days, you know

[aaron_straker]: 45:47

days, you know this week. And like I'm pumped to, just like literally be by

[mike_millner]: 45:48

this week and like I'm pumped to, just like, literally be by myself for eight

[aaron_straker]: 45:50

myself for eight days, and like I'll talk to Brian once. I'll talk to

[mike_millner]: 45:51

days, and like I'll talk to Brian once. I'll bu a client and I probably won't

[aaron_straker]: 45:53

clients, and I probably won't de say a word to another human in real life.

[mike_millner]: 45:55

de' say a word to another human in real life, and like, I'm okay with that

[aaron_straker]: 45:57

And like I'm okay with that type of deal where other people would like be

[mike_millner]: 45:59

type of deal where other people would like be dying from that, but it' just

[aaron_straker]: 46:00

dying from that, but I just thrive by myself. So it's uh, It's interesting

[mike_millner]: 46:02

thrive by myself. So it's uh. it's interesting. you know how

[aaron_straker]: 46:04

you know how you you can as you go through paces of life and want to evolve to become. You

[mike_millner]: 46:06

you you can as you go through paces of life and want to evolve to become. You

[aaron_straker]: 46:09

know different versions of yourself that you will take on these like new

[mike_millner]: 46:10

know different versions of yourself that you will take on these like new

[aaron_straker]: 46:13

skills. Um, and add on like you said. Add new tools to the tool box. but that

[mike_millner]: 46:13

skills, Um, and add on like you said. add new tools to the tool box. but that

[aaron_straker]: 46:18

default set of tools is still like. You know what you may naturally gravitate

[mike_millner]: 46:19

default set of tools is still like. You know what you may naturally gravitate

[aaron_straker]: 46:23

back to from like a pure default standpoint.

[mike_millner]: 46:23

back to from your a pure defaults standpoint. Yeah, just to add to that I, I think that what I found the gift of neurotyping to be, which is what I hope it is for other people who utilize this methodology or applied in any way that they see fit is self awareness. above all. else. That's it because I think that self awareness is the the greatest catalyst for change. Right, You don't know what you don't know. So once you become aware of either tendencies that you have behavioral tendencies. shortcomings things that you want to change about yourself. Like once. Once it's known now you get to to take action. Uh, you don't you know? if you don't know that it exists, it's it's hard to change something that you don't know exist. So that's really like the gift that I found having said that. That doesn't mean that we should be placing ourselves in these boxes and say Well, I'm this neurotype, So I'm boxed in here. It means that we're aware of our tendencies, but now we should pursue life to acquire those skills, to to challenge ourselves to even try things that may not be a natural fit. And don't say Well, I shouldn't do this because it's against my neurotype. But maybe say, I know that I don't have the tendency for this. It just means that I have to work a little bit harder to acquire that skill and that's how I. I look at it. as you know you're looking at a race right. Some people who have that natural gift are' starting a little bit ahead of you. But if you're starting from behind, it's not a disadvantage. you'll learn a lot through the process of acquiring that skill even if it takes a little bit longer. and I, I think there's still a lot of value in that.

[aaron_straker]: 47:50

Yeah, sorry. go ahead.

[mike_millner]: 47:51

Yeah, yeah, go, ahe, ah, goeadb. Now you're again. I was goingnna ask an

[bryan_boorstein]: 47:51

ye go. Now, your guy, I was going to ask an disital question. can unrel.

[mike_millner]: 47:54

additional question Kind

[bryan_boorstein]: 47:55

it?

[mike_millner]: 47:55

unrelated. Okay, I'll I' wrap up in this and then you can ask it. So I really

[aaron_straker]: 47:55

okay. I' wrap up on this and then you can ask it. So I really like the word you said. Their tendencies right, because it's less like. It's more like it's

[mike_millner]: 47:59

like the word you said their tendencies right, because it's less of like it. It's it's more of like a. It's a natural draw. but it's not like something

[aaron_straker]: 48:03

a natural draw, but it's not like something that you cannot break out of, and

[mike_millner]: 48:06

that you cannot break out of. Uh, And and the example that really came to my

[aaron_straker]: 48:07

in the example that really came to my mind is my girlfriend and I were very

[mike_millner]: 48:09

mind is my girlfriend and I were very very different personality types. I'm

[aaron_straker]: 48:11

different personality types. I'm going to have her go through it, but it's

[mike_millner]: 48:13

gonna have her go through it, but she's like. I mean it. It's funny because

[aaron_straker]: 48:14

funny because she' literally like a small as all hell, but she has this

[mike_millner]: 48:16

she's literally like as small as all hell, but she has this massive booming

[aaron_straker]: 48:18

massive booming personality. She talks to everyone and she

[mike_millner]: 48:19

personality. She talks to everyone and she's like

[aaron_straker]: 48:23

like just that. She's definitely like a woman. One one,

[mike_millner]: 48:23

you know, all, like A, just that she's defin one A of one B.

[aaron_straker]: 48:27

me, very very opposite, and when we did we started our businesses in very

[mike_millner]: 48:27

It was but me very very opposite. and when we did we started our businesses in It was but me very very opposite. and when we did we started our businesses in

[aaron_straker]: 48:30

similar times. we wanted immediately different trajectories and our kind of

[mike_millner]: 48:31

very similar times. We wanted immediately different trajectories and now we're very similar times. We wanted immediately different trajectories and now we're

[aaron_straker]: 48:34

know be. Our tendencies were different kind of pulling back towards. you know

[mike_millner]: 48:34

kind of like, you know, because our tendencies were different, kind of pulling kind of like, you know, because our tendencies were different, kind of pulling back towards. you know each other, as we've acquired different skills along back towards. you know each other, as we've acquired different skills along

[aaron_straker]: 48:38

each other, as weve acquired different skills along the path at different

[mike_millner]: 48:41

the path at different routes, So it was just really really interesting what the path at different routes, So it was just really really interesting what

[aaron_straker]: 48:41

routes. So it was just really really interesting what you said, but I really

[mike_millner]: 48:44

you said there, but I really like the word tendencies. you said there, but I really like the word tendencies.

[aaron_straker]: 48:44

like the tendencies

[bryan_boorstein]: 48:47

Yeah, so we sort of touched on this in my last question where I asked about

[mike_millner]: 48:48

Yeah, so we sort of touched on this in my last question where I asked about the the person that maybe is not training for their neurotype Necessarily, so

[bryan_boorstein]: 48:52

the the person that maybe is not training for their neurotype necessarily, so I just want to put out like a hypothetical example and hear your

[mike_millner]: 48:57

I just want to put out like a hypothetical example and and hear your thoughts

[bryan_boorstein]: 48:59

thoughts on it. Um be cause. This story seems to be very common for me, and

[mike_millner]: 49:00

on it. Um, because this story seems to be very common for me, and in what I'm

[bryan_boorstein]: 49:03

in what I'm doing now you know post crossfit is where we have these people

[mike_millner]: 49:04

doing now you know post cross fit days where we have these people that. I'm

[bryan_boorstein]: 49:08

that I'm sure come from all different neurotypes. But they are finding that

[mike_millner]: 49:09

sure I come from all different neuroypes. But they are finding that cross hit

[bryan_boorstein]: 49:12

cross itt is a problem for them, either A, because it's beating up their

[mike_millner]: 49:13

is a problem for them. Either A, because it's beating up their hormones and

[bryan_boorstein]: 49:16

hormones and putting them into a position where their body' is just not

[mike_millner]: 49:17

putting them into a position where their body's just not functioning optimally

[bryan_boorstein]: 49:19

functioning optimally or be, It's not creating the physique or aesthetic

[mike_millner]: 49:21

or be, It's not creating the physique or aesthetic response that they're

[bryan_boorstein]: 49:24

response that they arere looking for. And it's you know, the lower

[mike_millner]: 49:25

looking for. And it's you know, the lower intensity and the prioritization of

[bryan_boorstein]: 49:27

intensity and the prioritization of recovery and stuff like that, that's

[mike_millner]: 49:29

recovery and stuff like that, that's more important for them. Um. So how do

[bryan_boorstein]: 49:30

more important for them. Um. So how do you deal with these situations like

[mike_millner]: 49:33

you deal with these situations like that? You know where someone's neurotype

[bryan_boorstein]: 49:35

that? You know where someone's neuropype might be like Y. I need to be

[mike_millner]: 49:37

might be like Y. Oh, I need to be doing cross fit because I need variety and

[bryan_boorstein]: 49:38

doing crossfiit because I need variety and yet their body is telling them

[mike_millner]: 49:41

yet their body is telling them something different. Yeah, so I love that

[bryan_boorstein]: 49:43

something different.

[mike_millner]: 49:45

question, because then it starts to open up to all the other variables that that play a huge role, which would be like the amount of stress in your life. And what does your nutrition look like? And what are your dai daily habits look like? And how are you sleeping and all these other things. Um, And even if we just zoom in and only focus on like the modality of cross fit, I mean, let's be honest. It's It's not the most effective if we're just talking about somebody who wants to get leaner. Like If you want the way that I look at it is, you should be doing cross with if you want to be better at crossbood.

[bryan_boorstein]: 50:15

Yeah, it's a performance work.

[mike_millner]: 50:15

Yeah, it's a performance for a performance sport

[bryan_boorstein]: 50:17

Yeah,

[mike_millner]: 50:18

right, so a lot of times people use that as. Oh, I'm gonna you know, get lean and shredded with cross Ft. and then they find out Okay, So now I'm I'm beat up like my joints are are wrecked and I'm not recovering well and there's a reason for that. It's very neurologically demanding. The recovery demands of a workout are typically more nervous system related than they are muscular related. Like our muscles actually recover very quickly. Our nervous system takes a long time to recover, which is why when you see people who make progress very early on, they just started cross fit and they're like, Oh my God, look at my body changing. That's your nervous system adapting. It's not necessarily that. it's a super effective way of changing your body. It's simply the the neurological. Uh, you know adaptation that's occurring, the brain communication to your muscles to perform these movements like that's the initial. That's like the newy gains period.

[bryan_boorstein]: 51:09

y.

[mike_millner]: 51:09

Yeah, but then after that and you're putting this constant demand in. You're constantly adding volume. The nervous system has a hard time keeping up, and you put yourself in a recovery debt. almost every day. it adds up over time. So if we're talking about like just cross fit as a as a means to change your body, I would look at it more as a means to perform better. Act cross fit. If that's your goal, then for sure you should be doing cross, Butoot, otherwise I think there's more effective ways, Uh to get to that endngle.

[aaron_straker]: 51:37

very well What

[bryan_boorstein]: 51:38

yeah. So then is that person? So is that person then that that should?

[mike_millner]: 51:38

Yeah, so then is that person? So is that person then that that should, Maybe

[bryan_boorstein]: 51:42

Maybe they're like a one, a, one b or two, A. So they really Cve variety,

[mike_millner]: 51:42

they're like a, one a or one b or two A, so they really crave variety. But the

[bryan_boorstein]: 51:46

but the modality of crossfit is not great for them. So then do they end up

[mike_millner]: 51:47

modality of cross Fa is not great for them. So then do they end up on like

[bryan_boorstein]: 51:51

on Like is the next step to end up on some sort of like hypertrophy P

[mike_millner]: 51:51

there's the next step to end up on some sort of like hypertrophy P physique

[bryan_boorstein]: 51:54

physique style program. But maybe it's not one with like repeating

[mike_millner]: 51:55

style program. But maybe it's not one with like repeating movements A through

[bryan_boorstein]: 51:59

movements, A through E or something along those lines. Like you know, you

[mike_millner]: 52:00

E, or something along those lines. Like you know, you mix up a variety, but

[bryan_boorstein]: 52:02

mix up the variety, but you are still keeping in mind tot volume per muscle

[mike_millner]: 52:03

you're still keeping in mind total volume per muscle group type thing. Or you

[bryan_boorstein]: 52:06

group type thing. Or you know, if you want to get a little more specific

[mike_millner]: 52:07

know, if you want to get a little more specific with that, Yeah, for sure. so

[bryan_boorstein]: 52:08

that,

[mike_millner]: 52:10

like there's ways to to modify the training like the way that I train. Um, I don't do any crossfit style of of training. Uh, when I'm doing something that's more like bodybuilding focused, it will have a little bit more of. Uh, you know super sets involved. it'll have more int fication method, maybe more holdles. more pauses. Um. You know more isolated contractions things that just keep the variety in there. So for me it's like if I do, let's say I'm doing squads. Um, and then the next week the progression is just squats with uh, slow eccentric. That's enough. Even though I'm still doing squats and I'm doing squats again. You might think that's repetive. It's enough

[bryan_boorstein]: 52:46

Mm.

[mike_millner]: 52:46

variety where it feels like a new movement like a four second eccentric squad Is go to feel very different than just a straight back squad. Then we can maybe add a pause than we can. Do you know different things? Maybe we change it to a front squat in the third week. You know there's there's different things that you can keep a hypertrophry training, Uh program intact for like a, type two A or type one B. but you can still, um. give them the the variety that they desire. Mhm.

[bryan_boorstein]: 53:13

yeah, Mhm, Yeah, one of the things I do on all my general programs is we

[mike_millner]: 53:13

Yeah, one of the things I do on all my general programs is we have like part a

[bryan_boorstein]: 53:16

have like part a and b that repeat week to week so that we can get

[mike_millner]: 53:17

and b that repeat week to weeks, so that we can get diagnostics and track

[bryan_boorstein]: 53:20

diagnostics and track metrics and stuff like that and then part C, D and e,

[mike_millner]: 53:21

metrics and stuff like that and then part C. D and E, or whatever, if it

[bryan_boorstein]: 53:24

or whatever, if it exists, are kind of like forever changing. They're

[mike_millner]: 53:25

exists, are kind of like forever changing. They're usually smaller muscle

[bryan_boorstein]: 53:28

usually smaller muscle groups. They provide a little variety. Mix it up.

[mike_millner]: 53:29

groups. They provide a little variety. Mix it up. Give you something fun, but

[bryan_boorstein]: 53:31

Give you something fun, but you still get that like chunk of important work

[mike_millner]: 53:32

you still get that like chunk of important work where you get those

[bryan_boorstein]: 53:35

where you get those diagnostics in the beginning. So Um, I found that to be

[mike_millner]: 53:36

diagnostics in the beginning. So um, I' found that to be pretty effective as

[bryan_boorstein]: 53:38

pretty effective as like a messing of the two. but it is interesting as we

[mike_millner]: 53:39

like a messing of the two. but it is interesting as we dive into this

[bryan_boorstein]: 53:42

dive into this neuroype stuff. You know, there's some people that are like

[mike_millner]: 53:43

neurotype stuff. You know there's some people that are like I, I cannot stand

[bryan_boorstein]: 53:45

I, I cannot stand the repeating movements like by week four, I'm just like

[mike_millner]: 53:47

the repeating movements like by week four I'm just like over them, you know,

[bryan_boorstein]: 53:49

over them, you know, and then there's other people that are like. Could we

[mike_millner]: 53:50

and then there's other people that are like. Could we just do the same like

[bryan_boorstein]: 53:52

just do the same like all sections all the time? Like? Could I just do

[mike_millner]: 53:53

all sections all the time? Like? Could I just do every striker exactly like N

[bryan_boorstein]: 53:55

every striker exactly like No variety, Just like I want to know details and

[mike_millner]: 53:58

no variety. Just like I want to know details and diagnostics for everything,

[bryan_boorstein]: 54:00

diagnostics for everything. So it is funny how those two those personality

[mike_millner]: 54:02

So it is funny how those two those personality types play in? Yeah, typically

[bryan_boorstein]: 54:04

types play?

[mike_millner]: 54:06

that's that's the type. three. Uh, you know who wants to know all the all the analytic 'cause I want

[bryan_boorstein]: 54:10

Yeah,

[mike_millner]: 54:10

all the animation and they want to know what's coming in advance.

[aaron_straker]: 54:13

I think personally for me, it's more of just like a desire of like like. My desire

[mike_millner]: 54:14

I, I think personally for me it's more of just like a desire of like. Like. My

[aaron_straker]: 54:18

for progression is much higher than my like, disdain forpetitivepetit

[mike_millner]: 54:19

desire for progression is much higher than my like. disdain for repet, repetitive

[aaron_straker]: 54:25

repetition, Um, or anything like that. Like If you told me Eraron, Like, if

[mike_millner]: 54:25

repetition. Yeah, No, totally. I agree with that. that. Like Have told me, repetition. Yeah, No, totally. I agree with that. that. Like Have told me,

[bryan_boorstein]: 54:26

yeah, no, totally, I agree with that.

[aaron_straker]: 54:29

you you know,

[mike_millner]: 54:29

Aaron. Like, If you you know, Aaron. Like, If you you know,

[aaron_straker]: 54:31

do sets of twelve on the Hack squat and go to failure in In. It's this big

[mike_millner]: 54:32

do sets of twelve on the hack squat and go to failure in it In. It's this big

[aaron_straker]: 54:36

emotional investment and you feel like crap, but your legs will grow weak

[mike_millner]: 54:36

emotional investment and you feel like crap, but your legs will grow weak over

[aaron_straker]: 54:39

over week like I will one hundred percent do that and just suck it up, but

[mike_millner]: 54:40

week like I will one hundred percent do that and just suck it up, but it. it's

[aaron_straker]: 54:42

it's like I, I don't know. It's all desire based to me,

[mike_millner]: 54:43

like I. I. I don't know. it's all desire based

[bryan_boorstein]: 54:45

Yeah,

[mike_millner]: 54:46

me,

[aaron_straker]: 54:46

like one of the last things I want to ask you. I know we. we talked about

[mike_millner]: 54:47

Um, like one of the last things I want to ask you, I know we we talk about

[aaron_straker]: 54:49

training a lot, which has been cool. but well, we haven't really talked about

[mike_millner]: 54:50

training a lot, which has been cool, but uh, well, we haven't really talked

[aaron_straker]: 54:52

nutrition much. So can we kind of just have one last little thing. We shift

[mike_millner]: 54:52

about nutrition. Muchsh, so can we kind of just have one last little thing re

[aaron_straker]: 54:56

into how some of the different neurotypes or some of your tendencies for each

[mike_millner]: 54:56

shipped into how some of the different neurotypes or some of your tendencies

[aaron_straker]: 54:59

of them may influence how easy or likely um, different nutrition patterns and

[mike_millner]: 55:00

for each of them may influence Uh, how easy or likely, um, different nutrition

[aaron_straker]: 55:06

stuff might be for you.

[mike_millner]: 55:07

patterns and stuff might be for you. Yeah, So really of the lens that I look at this through is what's going to make the individual feel their best Like we want to put them in the best neurological state as frequently as possible. And what I mean by that is somebody who is higher stress experiencing higher stress. Well, we want to increase their inhibitors to calm their brain down. it's going to help them feel better. So, for somebody who's like a type three where they do have a little bit higher anxiety, higher stressed individual, we're typically going to put them on a higher card plant, carbs increase certone seratone, and calms the brain down. They're usually lower in Crotone, and it actually works really well. Um, for somebody who's like a type one, A they have, they're kind of the opposite. They have high levels of inhibitors. They have low levels of Dop, mean they're sensitive to dopine, so they're typically the people that we want to amplify brain activity at certain times and shut it down at certain times, Usually for type one A. that means mostly protein and fats in the morning. Um, that's going to help. Because if you're eating protein and fats, Um, you're going to favor the transport of elteerocine over l trip Defns, so they fight for transport. If you're having protein and fats, you're favoring allteerocine. If you're having protein and carbs, you're favoring El trip to him. l trip defen will then increase Setonin. Alteoine will increase dopamine, So for a type one A in the morning

[aaron_straker]: 56:26

Ssssssssssssss.

[mike_millner]: 56:27

when they want to be productive when they want to get shit done, we wa to increase their doping levels. they're sensitive to dope. It means so, protein and fats, and then in the evening, Uh, you know, we want to shut the brain down, so typically like a type one A, They I've seen typew as do. Really well with just no carbs throughout the day and then just the last meal. they have carps, Um, or they could do like a post workout and and before bed and that works really well for them. Um. You know similarly with with a type one B, uh, Usually type one bes gravitate towards intermitt fasting, Uh, because that will stimulate no adrenaline. They feel more focused, Um, and then they can, also, you know, gravitate towards that like protein and fats breakfast, Um, and then kind of you know, carbs post workout carbs before bed, Um, type two as we like variety. So, um, it's kind of the same thing like we do well with some kind of a uh, you know approach where it might be like you're you're eating certain macros on training day versus non training day. or you're rotating Uh, your your protocol every four weeks. Um, the one thing with with type two ass is we tend to have less frequent meals. Um, and that's because we're adrenaline sensitive, so the longer duration between meals, you'll typically get that adrenaline increase, which doesn't necessarily make it a good thing. because if you're somebody who's overtly stressed and then you're adding the stress of adrenaline increase by not eating frequently enough, that can be an net negative. Um, but for the most part with two as we see them constantly wanting to change things, they're like Hey, we've been doing this thing for two weeks and I'm ready for the next phase And Um, so there's ways to kind of adjust the the plan where you're not. You're keeping the progression in mind. You're giving them the re similar, similar to training. Um, but you're still you know, keeping them in line with where they need to be, Um, type two bes typical bodyuilder style, Um carbs before workout. They love to feel the pump carbs after workout carbs before bed. Um, and then, like I mentioned with the the type

[aaron_straker]: 58:26

ssssssssssssss.

[mike_millner]: 58:26

three, Uh, it would be more of a higher card plan to keep Saratone in higher, because they have naturally low levels, So everything that we look at it's what's go to put this person the best mental state. It doesn't matter if that's mental state. to like, do their job well, or mental state in the gym. We have this, you know, kind of, when it. when you look at brain activity, we have this like optimal level where our brain is amplified enough to perform well, but not overly amplified. So if it's if there's not enough brain activity, you'll be lazy. you'll be unmotivated, You won't feel like doing anything. If you, once you're in and typically what what happens is once dopine surpasses seratonin, then we feel al ready. So if you've ever been at the gym and you're like, I just don't have it today. I don't feel like it. Um, I don't feel like being here and you're kinda like lollly gagging through your work. You're warm up and then all of a sudden it it clicks and you're like. Oh, okay, here I am. That's when dopine surpasses Seerratona. Now you're ready to go? Um, So we have this optimal level Then, if brain activity becomes too much like our, our neurons are firing too fast. Now we get into this paralysis by analysis, overthinking Um, the risk of injury injury, we get tight in the flex or muscles. It's that's over like you're You're overreacting to things. So somebody who's in a pressure sensu situation right, like If you think about the games on the line, let you know one shot to win the game. Guys like Jordan Kobe. they had the ability to keep their brain activity. Not obviously they're not doing this consciously, but their brain activity stays in that optimal level. Whereas somebody who chokes under pressure, they might overrotate on the moment because it's such a big moment. their neurons start firing. They're like they overreact, it throws off their form. They miss a shot. Um, so I always look at it as what's the neurological state that we're trying to achieve And then there's certain like fun. like I. I feel like we're starting at the advanced, So there's certain foundational pieces that I should have mentioned are assumed. All this, which is like. What are the quality of the foods that you're eating? Like how much are you eating Right? The basics. Are you moving your body each day? Are you drinking enough water? so I don't want to ignore, Like the base of the pyramid, which are are all of those things that we have to get in order. first?

[aaron_straker]: 1:00:39

Of course, yeah, we, I mean on this podcast we talk a lot about that. I

[mike_millner]: 1:00:39

of course, yeah, we. I mean on this potcast, we talk a lot about that. I think

[aaron_straker]: 1:00:42

think. I hope. Oh my god, if I, if, if people by this point haven't been able

[mike_millner]: 1:00:43

I hope. Oh my God, if if people by this point haven't been able to pick up on

[aaron_straker]: 1:00:47

to pick up on that, I am doing a poor job of my part of the podcast here. but

[mike_millner]: 1:00:48

that, I am doing a poor job of my part of the podcast here, but yeah, everyone

[aaron_straker]: 1:00:51

yeah, everyone should be uh at at a good spot understanding those basics

[mike_millner]: 1:00:52

should be uh at at a good spot, understanding those basics there. but that was

[aaron_straker]: 1:00:54

there. but that was fantastic. I. I loved how you explain that it made a lot.

[bryan_boorstein]: 1:00:55

y,

[mike_millner]: 1:00:56

fantastic. I. I loved how you explain that it made a lot. I mean, just things

[aaron_straker]: 1:00:58

I mean, just things clicked for me, which is super cool.

[mike_millner]: 1:00:59

clicked for me, which is super cool Awesome. Anything else from me, Brian,

[aaron_straker]: 1:01:01

Anything else from me, Brian?

[bryan_boorstein]: 1:01:04

no man. I think he answered everything that I had for him

[mike_millner]: 1:01:04

No man, I think he answered

[aaron_straker]: 1:01:05

Yeah, okay, perfect Mike. Before we uh, wrapped this up, can you give

[mike_millner]: 1:01:05

everything that I had for him. Ke, perfect, Mike, Before we uh, wrapped this

[aaron_straker]: 1:01:09

everyone where they can some more information where they can find out. Find

[mike_millner]: 1:01:09

up, can you give everyone where they can some more information where they can

[aaron_straker]: 1:01:12

uh, yourself and more about what you do.

[mike_millner]: 1:01:12

find out. Find uh, yourself and more about what you do. Yeah, for sure, so, um, I am most active on Instagram, which would be at Coach underscore, Mike underscore, Milner, Um, Obviously anybody can go take the assessment Uh, on my website, which is Neurotype training dot com. Um, And then you should go listen to my interview with Aaron on the Mind over macros podcast, which is my pockes, and then I'll be connecting with Brian. I'll get you on on the pockcast.

[bryan_boorstein]: 1:01:37

Sweet sounds good, man,

[mike_millner]: 1:01:37

Soe sounds

[aaron_straker]: 1:01:39

Awesome like, thank you for coming and sharing. Just just very cool. New

[mike_millner]: 1:01:39

good man, awesome, like thank you for common and sharing just just very cool.

[aaron_straker]: 1:01:42

Different information that I know will be a first for a lot of the listeners

[mike_millner]: 1:01:43

New different information that I know will be a first for a lot of the

[aaron_straker]: 1:01:46

who will appreciate that so very cool. Um, guys. we'll talk to you next week.

[mike_millner]: 1:01:46

listeners who will appreciate that so very cool.

[bryan_boorstein]: 1:01:48

y.

[mike_millner]: 1:01:49

Um, guys, we'll talk to you next week.