Perceptions: Natty vs. Fake Natty | ETP#33

[aaron_straker]: 0:27

Happy Tuesday, guys, welcome back to another episode of each train. Prosper today's Bri and myself. We have some updates are going to go through, and a couple of really cool topics around some of our training and nutrition deadlines we have coming up and things we look forward to coming down the pipeline. After that before we get into these things. Bri. What's the latest?

[bryan_boorstein]: 0:45

Man, a few things going on? I, uh, since we started this podcast, I have been using headphones that only have sound in one ear And and I just I just decided to spend the seven dollars on Amazon to buy this new headset that has sound in both. E. because it's brand new. Um, unfortunately you'll keep seeing me messed with this thing because I cannot get the right ear to stay and it keeps falling out, But I think it's okay because at least I can hear out of both ears and that's good news.

[aaron_straker]: 1:20

That is? that is very. What took you so long just to buy the secondary pair?

[bryan_boorstein]: 1:25

I was. Actually, just laughing to myself about this right before the episode because I knew that this is going to be like a question. so um, it's It's odd. I don't really understand my buying habits like I'll spend ten thousand dollars or more on building out my home gym and buy like you know, whatever the pendulum squat, which was so unnecessary. Um, but when it comes to like things like this, I always am very hesitant to buy. I don't know why like clothes are another thing like, I just am kind of like you know, I, don't. I don't care what I wear and I have dressed athletically all the time, so like I haven't bought clothes in in years, and then just the other day I pa. I placed an order on Amazon for like new pants and shorts and socks and whatever, because they all had holes in

[aaron_straker]: 2:05

Mhm,

[bryan_boorstein]: 2:05

them. Someone actually commented on my video A doing leg curls the other day and was like Dude, you got holes in your socks And I was like I was like another thing like I can't spend like four dollars on a pair of socks, but I spend like eighteen hundred on a pendulum squat. so I don't really. I don't really know man.

[aaron_straker]: 2:21

that my spending habits have shifted a lot? Well, well, the whole live your life out of a suitcase thing like I've been doing for two and a half years, has really fostered some unique purchasing habits. What I have found now more than ever is when I do buy something I buy like a really quality pair and I don't. I mean, I't say like I don't care what it costs, but I'm like I'm buying one pair of pants. I'm going to buy like the hundred and twenty dollar pair that I know is going to last me like two years That the stitching's not going to fall out or whatever, as opposed to like buying something. And then you know God knows where it will be in six months, and one of the things with like traveling is, I can't find clothing sizes right, like when we were in Asia. I couldn't find shoes to fit me, so it's like I need to make sure my shoes last because I'm not going to be able to find a pair when I'm there type of deal. So I have kind of um, really started to soliify that and then I just like having like much fewer things I have, like you know, two pairs of pants, but they're both like super comfortable. Really quality, Don't have to

[bryan_boorstein]: 3:15

Yeah, right,

[aaron_straker]: 3:17

worry about the stitching, you know, busting or anything like that, which has been. Uh, definitely a change in how I used to be when I, you know, did have a apartment and a could buy whatever type of deal

[bryan_boorstein]: 3:27

yeah, totally well, I appreciate, like the minimalist on on many aspects of life. Like not spending money on the extravagant things, or not increasing the cost of the things that you buy as you begin to make more money. You knowcause. then then you can save more right so I don't know. like I guess to me there's certain things that are important And if they're important to me then I'm going to spend money on them.

[aaron_straker]: 3:52

value.

[bryan_boorstein]: 3:52

And if they're not important to me, like clothes, like, ill wear the same clothes that I've been wearing for fifteen years. I actually have a dress shirt that Kim was laughing because we had a date night the other night and she found a picture of me on like the first weekend that we met in two thousand seven, Where I'm wearing the exact same shirt that I wore on our date last night. like last week.

[aaron_straker]: 4:13

Yeah, it's uh. Wh. What? what? I've kind of briefly s brought up when he said It's value. It's what you value right. If you don't value like that, A pair of jeans you don't need. You're not going to buy it, but you value pendulum squat because of the time you spend with it when you get out of it, So you spend the money on. It's all it all comes down to values and I love once I finally understood that like it's like my perspective on so many things had shifted and it's very empowering. I would say.

[bryan_boorstein]: 4:39

I agree like that. I was going with you.

[aaron_straker]: 4:43

Um, So I'm actually coming off. I think I was like. I don't know if I was like, maybe a little sick this weekend, but just like super low energy and I could feel it at the end of last week like I was feeling beat up. And what it it? It was interesting for me, because someone who's being so incredibly regimented with everything, and sometimes when people like Oh, I'm feeling like under acovered and I'm like Okay, let's look at your food law. Drinking foods. obviously all over the place, sleeps all over the place. but for me it's like my life is like Groundhog Day. To be completely honest, and I to be I, I like it. Um, but then when things like this happened, I'm like. Well, my food's the same right training intensity. the same volumes. Basically the same sleeps as same water's the same like wood is kind of different. Um, and the think of, I just like caught a little sickness and I, I have a very good immune system, so I just noticed I was like very low energy throughout the weekend and then like we didn't go hiking on Sunday, Um, and I was almost like, kind of relieved. I was like due. I just I feel like I would have been trying to like Max it, you know, and then come some Sunday evening, Me and Jenny were going through something and it was like eight o'clock and like my body's just like yelling at me and I was like Dude, I think I'm goingnna fuck and go to bed And I did like the sun was. it hit down and I just like

[bryan_boorstein]: 5:56

That's awesome

[aaron_straker]: 5:56

went upstairs, showered and fucking wet to sleep and it,

[bryan_boorstein]: 5:59

and when you wake up

[aaron_straker]: 6:00

Um at seven so I slept for.

[bryan_boorstein]: 6:02

eleven hours amazing, that's great.

[aaron_straker]: 6:03

Yeah, I slept for almost eleven hours. Yeah, and I got up like maybe twice to Pe. and the mornings are harder for me to sleep. and like I was P. I probably could have got up at like five, you know, and and been ready, but I was like. No, like it's still dark out. I'm goingnna try maxis. Um, and then I felt pretty pretty solid yesterday, but I think like I, maybe I don't know. I felt a little just under the weather and the first and what was interesting is the first sign was I felt under a cover like my joints were a little achy and I was like Man, my knees are both kind of like, kind of sore. I have like one elbow like I'll get like some elbow tendinitis back here on my right elbow. That's been there since like high school literally, so it' like I can tell when I'm like finally really at, like maintenance, maintenance, calories or surplus, because it'll disappear completely and then at some point throughout like my diet, it'll start to return. Just like you know, certain tricep exercises I have to like move really really slowly with, or I won't do ones where I'm like crazy, overloaded in the lengthened with like a lot of weight type of deal. Um, so that I, I can generally gauge where I'm at based on how when that kind of discomfort will come back in. but that was kind of interesting and now I'm feeling a lot better today. I trained yesterday. I feel pretty recovered from that. Um, and that was uh, just a. an. an interesting perspective I picked up on this weekend

[bryan_boorstein]: 7:22

Yeah, Yeah, for sure, not. it's always a learning experience. I feel. Yeah,

[aaron_straker]: 7:24

one. Oh, sorry, go ahead. I was going to say. the other thing I have to share

[bryan_boorstein]: 7:26

Now you

[aaron_straker]: 7:29

is I have been making this drink. It is. Uh, I'll use Tobo Chico, 'cause that's like the the most um available carbonated water here, mineral water, the unfavored one with the element electro. Like packs. It is incredible. it it like it kind of tastes like candy almost, but it's zero calorie. It's you get ton of sodium and electrolytes and stuff like that. It's been. It's got of like crack, man. It really is. it's very good.

[bryan_boorstein]: 7:55

it. it's good. Diet food, maybe maybe not not as necessary as you raing calories up

[aaron_straker]: 8:01

I don't know. I think it's better than a lot of things you can give.

[bryan_boorstein]: 8:03

just matter

[aaron_straker]: 8:04

Yeah, I really, really like it.

[bryan_boorstein]: 8:07

well. One thing I was going to say on on the elbow stuff is I used to have elbow things as well, like your cross fit, and then post cross fit with with bodyuilding and as soon as I stoped like completely doing free weight tri up exercises it went away like I basically just use cables, and like uh, close gript pressing variations now and and I don't have any issues to the point that it felt. It's felt so good recently that I just reintroduced uh, a lying triice of extension, but with dumbbells so I can kind of control the angle of my hands a little bit, and I've done two weeks of that And and that's felt great, too. so, um, all good stuff and I think that I, I feel like that experience echoes others as well that I've talked to, and that like, as you get a higher training age, you just have to kind of move a little more toward cables for some of those like joint intensive exercises.

[aaron_straker]: 9:01

Yeah, I would agree with that and I, to bely honest, kind of prefer it fur for a lot of those things, because you get a

[bryan_boorstein]: 9:06

Yeah,

[aaron_straker]: 9:06

smoother you know, resistance curve

[bryan_boorstein]: 9:09

Mhm,

[aaron_straker]: 9:09

and I feel like you can just execute it a little bit better because you're not moving it through the free space. you know, with the ebcause you

[bryan_boorstein]: 9:14

right,

[aaron_straker]: 9:15

can change like the position of your shoulder and those sorts of things.

[bryan_boorstein]: 9:17

Mhm.

[aaron_straker]: 9:19

I agree basically with everything said

[bryan_boorstein]: 9:22

Um, Yeah, So one of the things we were actually before we get into things we were going to talk about today. I do have a quick update on things in life. It's been a week. Um, so un. We got noticed this weekend that some girl in Bryceon's school, Uh, tested positive for covet, and it turns out she was in his class, so we didn't know about this until like literally Sunday night, I think, And then so we found out as a result of that that they were closing his school for like nine days. they're opening again next Tuesday, so like a week from today, and our nanny is freaked out because her mom has a heart condition, so she won't come because she is worried that Bryson was exposed to coved. Um, so we have no nanny and no no day care, and uh, Kim is on like a three day bender of like uh, big press things that she's handling like all day long, so I literally have just been on dad duty like seven hours a day for yesterday and today, and we werere just sneaking in this podcast because my mom, by the grace of her heart, decided to come over and take care of the kids for an hour so that we could podcast, And that's literally it like I'm going to go right from this podcast. Back to parenting and then, on top of that, our air conditioner broke and it's really hot and bolder right now. it's in the mid nineties. So you were talking about being tired and like, Kind of Under the weather Last night was like the worst night of sleep I've had in forever. I think I, I woke up ten times in the middle of the night like every thirty minutes I was up like. Oh, I'm hot. this is awful like I'm sweating the everything sticking to me like one of those things.

[aaron_straker]: 11:08

is the

[bryan_boorstein]: 11:09

And so it's just

[aaron_straker]: 11:09

basement cooler.

[bryan_boorstein]: 11:12

the basement is cooler. We. actually, that's a fantastic idea. We. we. we could just go sleep in the basement. Um,

[aaron_straker]: 11:17

That's what I would do For sure.

[bryan_boorstein]: 11:19

yeah, it's a good idea. so may right now we have my mom's boyfriend over trying to fix it. But uh, we'll see how that goes and then so that that's my week right now and it doesn't look like it's getting any easier. Unfortunately, so um, so we just got back from my birthday trip to Brecken Ridge, which was super cool. Um, it had a couple of impacts on my diet, and like my whole life situation, so uh, going into the trip I had hit a low of one, eighty, five point six on the scale, which is super cool 'cause it meant I was like three and a half pounds away from getting to kind of my goldal weight or whatever, And uh did really well the first day. only eight, twenty six hundred calories. The next day went for a massive hike. It was like a four hour hike to the top of a mountain and and back down and I ate thirty one hundred calories that day, but it kind of evens out because of the twenty two thousand steps or something like that. Um, and then I had a couple of days after that where they weren't perfect and I didn't like over exercise or anything. It was like you know three, around three thousand calories like I had a cookie one day, and uh, my mom baked a cake when I got home, so I had a small piece of cake, But uh, then I woke up on the scale on uh Monday morning, first time weighing myself since before the trip and it was like one eighty eight and I was a little down. I was like, Ah, like I, You know, I thought that it wasn't going to be this impact full like I did pretty well, exercise, blah, blah, blah, and uh, then today one day of twenty three hundred calories and I hit basically my low again. It was one eighty five point eight, so it was point two above where I was before the trip, So it's like one one, really really good day undid like four moderate days. Um, so that was pretty cool and it's encouraging in the Uh, in the pursuit of this cut in the long run, Uh, especially because I just put a deadline on my on my cut, so I started it on April twenty sixth, and I'm putting a deadline September twenty sixth, which is go to make it a five month cut. Um. I did have a two week diet break in there, so it really was four and a half months of actual deficit time. Uh, and the goal is to get to one eighty two by nine, twenty six, and then on nine twenty nine, I'm getting snipped, so that should be really fun, but at least I'll be sure not to have any more babies and that is it positive, and uh, and then I'm gonna take a few days off 'cause you got to recover from that and I'm going to go into a coerk surplus, you know, slowly, kind of ramping back up, and I'm going to do a streng cycle, and um, I'm kind of composing my ideas around how. I want to construct that and all that stuff. but, but I'm really excited to have like kind of an end in sight and it and it's actually nice having a deadline like it was really cool not having it for the most of the diet. But it's nice at this point having one to kind of just push me a little bit and help me steer me away from the once a week kind of indulgences that I've been having throughout this thing. So all good things,

[aaron_straker]: 14:35

Yeah, with, I was going to ask about the deadline. Like what? Specifically around the like, The minor procedure is making you have that deadline. But then you kind of you, kind of said like it's nice to have a date so that I stop letting my psychological. you know, like uh, variances, like take overver. Mc. Oh, well, I can be a little bit more flexible, you know this weekend because I don't have a a deadline. and that's that that, like never the the non existent deadline. Um, it can be good, right, I think, especially because a lot of times people set their deadlines way too short, but after a point

[bryan_boorstein]: 15:10

Mhm,

[aaron_straker]: 15:11

it just becomes like, Oh, well, I'm still diing and I'm still diting and

[bryan_boorstein]: 15:13

right,

[aaron_straker]: 15:14

I'm not there. I don't, but I'm still diying. But like every weekend you're kind of like fucking it off a little bit and then you end up like just going up and down. or what? I, what I should really want to say is like in circles, kind of at the same point, because you're not committed at that level To get that like last bit that you want to, Um, and I think that's pretty much exactly what you said.

[bryan_boorstein]: 15:32

yeah, Mhm, yeah, so it was I. I kind of realized that I needed that little bit of push with the deadline because I was looking at my data and the first like eleven or twelve weeks. I was consistently averaging a pound a week, Uh, over the grand scheme, and then in the last six weeks it's It's cut down to like two thirds of a pound, or maybe even half a pound some weeks. And um, it's just yeah, like I know. I know that it gets harder as you get leaner, but I've also,

[aaron_straker]: 16:02

Margins get smaller.

[bryan_boorstein]: 16:05

yeah, for sure for sure, but it's uh, it also is. I think it was more a result of the uh freedom I was giving myself with you know, once or twice a week, eating and then spending the rest of the week essentially in a deficit, making up for the the, The Accesss meal that I had. And I mean, I knew that I was going to do that, so it wasn't like I was playing this game of of like, Oh, no, I fucked up now. I need to clean it up. It was like you know, I knew once or twice a week I was going to do this and I knew that I was going to have these lower deps at days, so in many ways it was like the Bill Campbell study or where they had five low days in and two higher days. It, just it just slows the process down a lot. because if you don't get it perfect on the five lower days, then you kind of just waste a week and you realize a week later that you like shit. I didn't go as low as I needed to on those five days to make up up for the two higher days that I had, and then you're basically a week behind where you plan to be and thates sucks so I, I just want to dial it and get it right. Know that there's a deadline. Um, commit to the process and then uh, reach the goal and then be able to have the more flexibility and freedom from there.

[aaron_straker]: 17:14

Yeah, yeah, I like I love. I love having that that hard that hard line attend, and that's exactly what I did once I hit like mid June or my diet. I was like August first is the day because

[bryan_boorstein]: 17:23

Mhm,

[aaron_straker]: 17:23

I didn't want it to turn into that where I was. Well, what is what is the point or how lean do I really want to get? I know I wasn't getting on stage or anything like that, so I was like August first St. And for better, for worse, type type of deal, Um there, and then you move into basically my favorite part of nutrition periodization, which is that, like um, reverse, but it's like. Well,

[bryan_boorstein]: 17:43

yeah,

[aaron_straker]: 17:43

I mean, there's two avererses right. There's like the You know you've You've treated your body like a dumpster fire for a whilee. Now we need to reverse you to get you to like an appropriate maintenance level calories, so that we can you know, get some processes performing how they should be kind of back. But then then there's the also reverse side. It was like I'm purposely at the bottom end of a diet and I've been in here and now we're going to reverse out of that Na. The second part is my favorite cause you just get all these cool adaptations Like energy improves. Once you fill out with Cllichagen fully like you look even better. Training improves your sleep improves. stress goes down. It's like all these cool things happen to like for this pyramid, Uh, where you like feel incredible and then you look incredible at the same time and you're like. I just want this the last for ever. Uh, type of deal. So that is really really cool.

[bryan_boorstein]: 18:28

yeah, yeah, if I can keep it to like a third of a pound a week, like one point three pounds a month, which is kind of what I was looking to achieve the last time that I reversed out. Uh, that would be perfect because I, I dud honestly like the. It's really hard for me initially to to stick to that I. I. I usually settle into that amount, maybe like a month or two weeks after, but those first like two weeks. I'm just kind of like. Fuck it. I'm donedeting like I'm going to eat the things. I'm going to have the fun.

[aaron_straker]: 18:58

It's like the worst approach to take.

[bryan_boorstein]: 18:59

and and then it, I was like I would have pizza and cheese steaks. All the things that I've been thinking about during this diet. Like I had a Saw commercial the other day for like a Jersey Mike cheese steak. and it was like dripping with provent cheese. and and I was just like this is what I need as soon as I'm done dieting. So, so I'm going to give myself a week or whatever to go eat the food, and then uh, and then I'm going to settle into my third pound a week or whatever it is from there.

[aaron_straker]: 19:23

Yeah, I am now. Uh, Well, we actually my final week of diting, We did increase my calories. Um, so it wasn't like. I mean, technically, my like final week was the the last week of Au, uh July, but I am. I think my lowest from the diet was like one, ninety point two was what I hit,

[bryan_boorstein]: 19:41

yp.

[aaron_straker]: 19:42

and then today I was one ninety two point two. So two pounds

[bryan_boorstein]: 19:48

you're barely gaining weight. Yeah, and

[aaron_straker]: 19:48

up? Yeah, I'm not really gaining weight and I just this week started like consistently being into the one ninety two. After that like kind of fluctuation period this weekend, Um,

[bryan_boorstein]: 19:57

right,

[aaron_straker]: 19:57

but I was in the one ninety one literally for like all all month, so Um and calories have come up. At least I can't remember if thoughtp. My, probably like six hundred from the bottom. Um, so

[bryan_boorstein]: 20:07

yeah,

[aaron_straker]: 20:08

I think I'm not sure if it'll be this week. I, I do my checkens on Thursdays or next week I'll crack three thousand calories again on training days. Um, and I'm still

[bryan_boorstein]: 20:16

nice,

[aaron_straker]: 20:17

holding like a very low body weight super lean. Still, so this has been by far my most successful one, but at the same time I have, I feel like psychologically in the past year, maybe a little bit longer than that. I've been able to separate from the desire of like those cheap foods, junk foods type of deal like,

[bryan_boorstein]: 20:37

oh yeah, you're not into that at all. I know I know I'm very, uh, very different than you In

[aaron_straker]: 20:41

Yeah, and I used.

[bryan_boorstein]: 20:41

that manner. You prefer you, because you don't feel good when you eat them.

[aaron_straker]: 20:44

Yeah, Like if I were to go have like a cheese steak or whatever. Oh, I got to be fucking diarrhoea planet. And then I feel awful, so it's much easier to you know, not because I lost that battle for years and years and years where I would have those food and I knew the consequences and I would eat it anyway. And then there is like one time where I just like we can't fuck and do this anymore. Um, and I've you know, I've had. I've faltered a little bit, but it's been you know, like in the last year and a half, I've been able to like. I just, I just don't really desire it at all. like sometimes all like desire of somewha candy or something like that, and then when I do have higher fats I'll fill that with like dark chocolate. I really do enjoy dark chocolate and maybe like a couple of gummy bears. But that's really about it,

[bryan_boorstein]: 21:29

Yeah, yeah, that's really tame. That's really tame. Uh, I feel like that's like me on a diet like I'll just have like a couple of gumy beers or like some Dar.

[aaron_straker]: 21:36

Mhm,

[bryan_boorstein]: 21:36

chocolate. Um, that's really interesting. but yeah, I mean I. I very much have accepted that I have a desire to to eat food, um, all foods, whether it's sweet food or savoury food. I like all of it, and uh, and I work out and gain muscel, so that I am more, uh, more insulsensitive and I can eat these foods and they don't. They don't impact me as negatively and don't affect my health as much, and I honestly don't really feel too shitty when I just have like one thing. Like if I just have like a cheese steak, then I'm fine, but if I'm like cheese steak fries and then a brownie or something, then I'm screwed. I'm like the worst, the worst person the next day or two, you know, so it's just I've realized that now that I can have like one item, but I can't have like multiple bad items at

[aaron_straker]: 22:21

and I think that's a good approach.

[bryan_boorstein]: 22:21

the same time, But yeah, yeah, uh, but I'm really excited about moving into the string cycle, so I actually haven't done a string cycle and it was kind of inspired by arch chat with Helms, because I literally haven't done a straying cycle since. Like I did a five by five riptoe thing in two thousand sixteen when Varnum started his gym, Um, I jumped on the bandwagon and did like a six month like ripetoe thing, And uh, and that was rap. like I got super super funm strong like I P. Red. My backs went it four or five times three. So that was like something that is always kind of in my head is. I don't know if I'll ever achieve that again, but uh, but I'm gonna do it. So I'm I'm a little unsure what I want to do for my pressing for my strength work, because I know that my shoulders don't do well with overhead press anymore and I just have never liked Marbll bench. So there's like a part of me that is willing to give Barbl Bench like one more shot. And just see if now that I have like this renewed focus on technique and execution that maybe I can do it, but it's gonna be really hard. I g. I guess the other option is I could run a strength phase for like the dead lift and the squat. Um, and but maybe do like a little higher rep stuff on the upper body. Like I could stick with dumbbells for bench and dumbbells for rows or machine rows, and stick with like six to ten raps. instead of you know one to five or whatever it is. So that's another thing that that I've been considering any thoughts.

[aaron_straker]: 23:51

Yeah, what I was going to ask you about the barbl bench is at both like incline and flat bench that you don't feel great with.

[bryan_boorstein]: 24:00

I feel better with incline. The issue really is that what feels normal to me in in in when I'm racking the bar and then going down and up what feels even does not look even on camera. Um, or like when someone's behind me spotting me, they're like Bro. Your bar is like super tilted. like. what are you doing? you know, and to me yeaha, yeah. yeah, so this is like.

[aaron_straker]: 24:21

I remember that now that you brought it out now.

[bryan_boorstein]: 24:25

its. really. It's really obvious you know, so I am hesitant to want to progressive overload and lift heavy weights When there's something weird going on that I'm not feeling, Um. And I just, I just don't know that it's worth the risk at this point in my life like I don't really care if I ever bench three hundred again, so like I probably will end up just sticking with dumbbells and like machine row type stuff, Ill probably will do. I'll probably do like a heavy, like Penley bent over row. Um, but I also have like some high perchy working there for the rest of the upper body, but either way I'm definitely in a low bar squat and I'm going to conventional deadlift and I haven't done either of those in five years or more at this point, so uh, I'm just excited to kind of get those neural adaptations and and do a different type of training in a surplus, and just kind of see what adaptations can occur.

[aaron_straker]: 25:19

Yeah, I think I'm going to to uh, do that as well. you know, be kind of talked about. I've been. It's been a long time since I've done it as well. I did do. Um, let me think not twenty twenty, so twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen. I believe both years I did squatober Um, which is like a short four week like strength block. It's very low volume type of thing. Um, and those were always pretty cool, because I would go for like not back squatting to squatting within like ninety, you know, I, I can't do the in math off time, my best, my best all time back squat. Um. high bar is four, twenty five, and the first year I did squatoa. I hit four or five. Uh, second year I hit four hundred, You know, so that's what, probably within like ninety five, ninety seven

[bryan_boorstein]: 26:04

That's awesome. Yeah,

[aaron_straker]: 26:04

percent, going from like not squatting to within four weeks right there, Um

[bryan_boorstein]: 26:08

yeah,

[aaron_straker]: 26:10

said it' pretty cool. I think what I will do with mine is I will overhead press. I do like. like stric. strict overhead press. I've always had a goal of two twenty five. Overhad press have gotten within ten

[bryan_boorstein]: 26:21

nice.

[aaron_straker]: 26:22

pounds of that. Two fifteen is the most I've ever done, and then conventional deadlift as well. I'd like to pull over five hundred again, which I think honestly, I've never really trained consistently for like a deadlift in many many years. I think that will not be very difficult to do. To be completely honest, I think I can probably do that with a couple weeks of D training in like a volume taper type thing, but I think that'll be exciting. It'll be lower volume right, Probably only training maybe four days

[bryan_boorstein]: 26:49

Yep,

[aaron_straker]: 26:50

per week, Type of deal. I'm really focused on recovery and just seeing like it's been a long time since I've really tried any real strength stuff. I want to see like how, what type of changes all this information I have on the nutrition recovery side? I can apply to that and see if I can get some P. Rs. or you know, do it safely and not come out injured. Is is actually the top goal, which is something I stro. I was always struggled with. I'd always get hurt. One in any strength blocks.

[bryan_boorstein]: 27:18

yeah, yeah, I, actually, that's one of the things that I feel like I'm going to have to detach my ego from during the strength phase because like I have deadlifted over five hundred a handful of times, like probably five times in my life, and every time that I've done it, you know, I've I've watched the video back and been like Ooh, you know, like, like, I like my back, kind of turns into a little bit of a question mark, but I've always had those really strong erecctors where it just kind of handles it. Um, but like the most recent ones, I deadlifted five, seventeen or five eighteen at Scen us when we were doing the one

[aaron_straker]: 27:55

Mhm.

[bryan_boorstein]: 27:55

ton challenge and there's a video of that and I had all the adrenaline in the world because Sino was sitting there yelling at me to pick the damn weight up And it was like it like I go down, and as soon as I separate the bar from the ground, my back kind of like hunches over like this, and I'm just fighting. Casin was yelling at me and like it's just the ugliest thing ever like it's just's just disgusting. so I feel like I'm not going to let myself do that this time around, and I think that I'm going to have to temper some of my expectations with load because of that, especially on the dead left, because I actually think the the four or five triple I did on the the low Baar back swat was wasn't perfect, but I mean it was. It was pretty good like I didn't completely lose positioning or or anything. The dead lift, though, is not something I want to replicate, so we'll have to see what I can do within the constraints of like keeping good form.

[aaron_straker]: 28:53

How long do you think you're going to give yourself for this cycle?

[bryan_boorstein]: 28:58

I was thinking like five to eight weeks.

[aaron_straker]: 29:00

Okay as asing my next questionion. Like, what do you think is realistic within the timing you give yourself?

[bryan_boorstein]: 29:06

That's a good question. Yeah, well, I'm definitely going to start slow, so I'll probably have like a deloaded slash intro week and then probably week one. I'. So one thing I want to do with this phase is use the the data driven strength

[aaron_straker]: 29:25

Mhm.

[bryan_boorstein]: 29:25

guys approach. So the last time I did a strength phase it was you know, riptostyle. So it was five by five and you basically just add five pounds every week and make it happen. Um, but in the dayta driven strength guys, which we're having on the pack the podcast on September twenty first, which is going to be super cool. but they've been doing all the research into being well shy of failure with with strength work and making up for that Delta with more sets. so their idea is like You know, you could do seven sets of three with an eight r m, or something along those lines and get a ton of adaptations because you're gettingiv a bunch of volume. It's still really heavy weight. Um, et cetera, et cetera. So that's kind of the approach that I want to take this time around in my strength phase, so I think that the effort level is never going to be super high until maybe I get to like the end for testing or whatever, if I decide to do that. So it's really the volume that I'm going need to be concerned about, Like seven sets of three lift with an eight r. M is a lot of volume. If you haven't deadlifted recently, so what's probably going to happen is I'll start week one with like four or five sets, and then add a set each week until I get to seven or eight sets. and kind of see how my recovery is along the way and stuff like that. Um, but I've never done a strength phase being that far shy of failure, So it's something that's going. I'm goingnna have to work on too, like I'm really good at knowing what two to three reptshe failure is, but I'm not really good. I don't think yet at knowing what six reps Shi, a failure feels like. so. uh. so yeah, that's just something I'm going to have to learn along the

[aaron_straker]: 31:01

Yeah, I think that's going to be a really cool new kind of um

[bryan_boorstein]: 31:01

way.

[aaron_straker]: 31:04

endeavor for you With that because a lot of it is. It is kind of different. I remember. I wish I could remember. I saw it, but it was like a new. A newer research uh, published paper on on strength and it was like velocity was like a big determining factor of it, and then not getting into those grindy reps in your like training session.

[bryan_boorstein]: 31:22

Yep.

[aaron_straker]: 31:23

Like staying where you moving weight. like not very quickly, but at a at an appropriate velocity where not like grinding a wrap in Thatb From what the gist in the paper like, better like carry over towards, actually, those strength adaptations

[bryan_boorstein]: 31:40

yeah, so I believe part of the rationale is that in in strength work, as you get to those grindy reps there are mini compensations occurring where muscles that you're not intending on being part of the the moving process are actually contributing to to the effort. so you're creating these kind of like bad habit neural patterns that then just kind of grow upon themselves, and um. And then you end up just not getting as strong because you're not actually training the exact movement pattern that you want to be be training. So I, I completely relate to that too, like we've all been there doing like a bench press and you get like half way up and then you're liker and like there's like a little a little like tilt of the body or roll over or something. Um, so yeah, those are things you want to avoid Like you want every rap to look literally identical and have the same execution velocity, Um. As the other repts, so, uh, I need to learn more about it. That's going to be one of the things I'm going to do over the week that I'm taking off after getting snipped. Is. I'm going to read up and listen to podcast on how these guys are implementing this, Um in blocks, et cetera and kind of design something from there.

[aaron_straker]: 32:48

that would be cool. Yeah, I think when I thought about it, Um, I think I want to give it at least like three months, like at least a full twelve weeks.

[bryan_boorstein]: 32:56

I may, too. Yeah, we'll see, I'm not at like six to eight or five to eight. was kind of like my, my idea. If it's fitting into a

[aaron_straker]: 33:02

Mhm.

[bryan_boorstein]: 33:02

hpertrophy model, then that would be what you do, like you do that to potentiate hypertrophy. But man, I'm been doing high perjury for so long. To be honest, there's like a part of me that's like having pipertree fatigue like I just like. I'm just kind of tired of training this way for right now, And and I'm like, really excited about about trying something new for however long it is. you know, three or four, two or two to four months.

[aaron_straker]: 33:24

Mhm. Yeah, I agree. that's kind of like we. We briefly touched on this last week. How I I'm running like one of the off the shelf, Um mountain dog programs And it's been nice

[bryan_boorstein]: 33:32

Yup, Yup,

[aaron_straker]: 33:32

to just kind of like detach from like Okay, I'm you know at at this much this like I'm on this rest period. Okay, did this many reps last week? For this I get. I'm just I'm just training really hard and just showing up in and you know going through each day just giving it my all, And that's been like a nice. like a just psychological break from that.

[bryan_boorstein]: 33:53

is that program constantly varied

[aaron_straker]: 33:56

Do you want to uh? explain that a little bit better.

[bryan_boorstein]: 33:58

as then? Like Does it have movements that you repeat in for progressive

[aaron_straker]: 34:02

Yeah, there are some that repeat. Um, but a lot of it does vary. Um, so that

[bryan_boorstein]: 34:02

overload week to week.

[aaron_straker]: 34:07

is like both good and bad be cause. Then there is things where I'm like fuck. I do not want to do this. I wish I could just do it. We did last week. you know, type of deal, but it is forcing me into. like, find different ways to do things better. Um, for example, like there's two like presses at the gym. One is like the traditional one. the rat on the rails. you know. the other one is that like kind of pendulum, like like press that I

[bryan_boorstein]: 34:29

Yep,

[aaron_straker]: 34:29

generally would hate. Um, but for instance, this yesterday was like, Hey, I want you to do like your feet high and wide. Is it going to make a hams string type focused like press? and I found I was like it didn't really feel great. And then I was like. Well happens if I grab one of these like mats and I put it on the seat. and then when I put it there I was like Oh, this feels great. And then I like play her aroundphin. I was. I could like. My quads are getting hammered on this too, and I was like Okay, I just like unlocked something that I would have a hundred percent skipped because I never would have taken the time to do it because in the past I haven't

[bryan_boorstein]: 34:58

right,

[aaron_straker]: 34:59

liked it. But by just like putting this pad in here and changing like my hip angle a little bit with where the? the? the le, um, the oh boy, the the pendulum, the pendulum point is on the thing, it gave me like a completely

[bryan_boorstein]: 35:07

pendulum platform thing. Yeah,

[aaron_straker]: 35:11

different angle and it was now something that I, I. I, I realized, so it is kind of nice in that regard, And plus there's something that are' like God awful And it's just like this is what we gotta do. Just strap up and do it. but there's only one set. So like that's kind of like you just go all out on that one set and then I know I can

[bryan_boorstein]: 35:25

yeah,

[aaron_straker]: 35:25

go home, type of a deal. Um, so it

[bryan_boorstein]: 35:28

yep. Yep.

[aaron_straker]: 35:28

just brings out like things that I wouldn't normally program myself. Type of deal.

[bryan_boorstein]: 35:32

that's

[aaron_straker]: 35:33

Yeah,

[bryan_boorstein]: 35:33

cool. Yeah, No, I like that. I've always been curious about his programs because it does seem when he puts out his his Youtube videos. It seems like every time's like leg day with mountain Dog or whatever, it's like they're doing something completely different. Like the only thing that says the same is that he always starts with Le curls

[aaron_straker]: 35:48

Mhm,

[bryan_boorstein]: 35:49

of some some sort. but it's like a lying, like curl. Cd, like cral, a single leg like curl or like. whatever. It's just it's just that's the one staple, but then it's like you know, you might go a legtension or a pendulum or a likeg press, or to a safety bar squad. Like what order is? just so it just seems random.

[aaron_straker]: 36:05

there is a bit of a system. Um, I don't feel comfortable enough like speaking on onto it entirely, but there's generally like the one's like a warm up kind of like a single joint type thing. And then there'll be something that's like, Usually one where you're training explosively right. Um, and that's kind of like a A hack squat or a pendil or M, maybe like a Smith Machine squatter. Like at, you know something like that. you're training

[bryan_boorstein]: 36:26

Mhm.

[aaron_straker]: 36:26

expsively, and then there'll be something training it from a stretched position where you're like, Um, you know a length and overload where youre pause in the bottom or something like that, Or when you do finish a rap, you're going to sit in a stretch for like fifteen seconds at the endal. So there is like a bit of a. There's like a framework to it. I guess is what I really want to say.

[bryan_boorstein]: 36:47

Yeah, okay, yeah, I. I saw a video where he went over that He did talk about how he likes to start with, like a primer movement or like a single joint one that helps you build my muscle connection. and then you go to like a a compound movement like uh, yeah, like you were saying, Like a hack squat or a bench press or something like that, And then he does and then he has a short position movement and like a lengthen position movement. Like you said, I can't remember which one's first if it's lengthened then shortened or shortened and lengthened.

[aaron_straker]: 37:11

I think the length is usually last I'm trying to remember from like yesterday.

[bryan_boorstein]: 37:16

Yeah, 'cause once you do lengthen, you've created all the muscle damage and you're not going to perform super

[aaron_straker]: 37:20

Yeah,

[bryan_boorstein]: 37:21

well after that very cool Well, I will keep everybody updated as I get more into the weeds on my strength cycle stuff. and uh, hopefully, the last thirty three days of my diet go really well and I hit my goal and everything's all good.

[aaron_straker]: 37:41

I think that'll happen. Yeah, I mean with with the with the deadline in of your sight set. I don't see any reason why you wouldn't.

[bryan_boorstein]: 37:46

Yep, I agree. I actually appreciate the people, though on my poll yesterday when I asked if I was going to succeed, there is six percent of people said that, Uh, they didn't think I was going to succeed and I actually appreciate that because I, I, I think if you were if you are keeping up with my story and you saw the recent trend of like the last four or five weeks of Like, I'm only losing half a pound to two thirds of a pound a week, and I keep going up and then back down and up and back. Down that I think there there is reason for people to have doubt, and uh, and I appreciate it because it. it provides motivation as well.

[aaron_straker]: 38:19

Yeah, and one last question before we move on quick. What are? what are your like?

[bryan_boorstein]: 38:23

Yep.

[aaron_straker]: 38:23

daily step count and stuff right now,

[bryan_boorstein]: 38:27

yeah, it's been really high. Uh, which is something that I didn't

[aaron_straker]: 38:31

Mhm,

[bryan_boorstein]: 38:31

want to have happened toward the end of the diet. But it's because the reason's been so high is because I had been M more free with with the food that I was eating, so I don't think that it really needs to be the high. To be honest, I actually think and this is crazy, but I actually think that I'm having a little bit of constrained energy expenditure Like I think that I'm walking and doing steps and that it's not doing anything. Um, so I think I don't feel like at fifteen thousand steps that I' do, or sixteen thousand that I'm actually burning more than I was at eleven or twelve thousand. Um,

[aaron_straker]: 39:05

And then that's where you're at right now. Like fifteen to sixteen thousand on average.

[bryan_boorstein]: 39:09

yeah, most days are fourteen, fourteen to sixteen Now, Yeah,

[aaron_straker]: 39:11

Yeah, that's pretty high. Okay, I was going to say, cause I didn't think you were that high. and well, you know you could pull out these aces out of the back pocket and bumpteps. You can Thll the white vest

[bryan_boorstein]: 39:21

but like I said,

[aaron_straker]: 39:21

on if you wanted to.

[bryan_boorstein]: 39:24

yeah, I mean the reason, though, like I said is because of the nutrition. like at the end of the day, you know you have to walk two thousand steps for a hundred calories or twenty five hundred steps or whatever it is. So if I'm doing an extra five thousand steps, that's really the equivalent of two hundred calories. So if I'm eating twenty eight hundred calor or I'm supposed to be eating twenty five hundred calories that it really does make those steps negligible right. um,

[aaron_straker]: 39:48

Yeah, you' just eating more to walk more, basically or walking more to eat more.

[bryan_boorstein]: 39:51

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. for sure. The only thing that I like about doing more steps at this point of the day is that it's distracting like it's a period of time where I'm doing something that isn't eating

[aaron_straker]: 39:59

Mhm,

[bryan_boorstein]: 40:00

or thinking about eating. And it's not that I'm thinking about eating all the time, but I do love food like I think about food. even when I'm in a surplus. I'm still like, Yes, I get to eat in two hours. you know, Um,

[aaron_straker]: 40:07

not mestd. Yeah,

[bryan_boorstein]: 40:11

So so when I'm in a diet I'm I'm very much thinking about food as well, and um. I just always enjoy the process of putting food in my body no matter what. Yeah, um, so we like a. We ever got a small topic for today. I just think it's moresome some commentary from us because we've been having a few conversations with people in our d. Ms. uh, about being natty natural bodybuilding, essentially not taking drugs. Um, and the conversation, at least as it pertains to me, was kind of taken a forefront because I posted about it on my story during my trip, and essentially to lay the groundwork what happened was. Uh, I was at the resort gym where I was in Breckenridge, and there were these two kids in their training and they're probably in their lateens or early twenties. They both had good physiques. They looked athletic like maybe they play football or or some lacrosse or something like that. Um, and they were. they were you know, relatively strong. They had good physiques. They were both probably around my height and around two hundred pounds with the mo body fat you'd expect for a high school kid playing football like they were definitely not

[aaron_straker]: 41:29

twenty twenty percent.

[bryan_boorstein]: 41:29

a physie athlete, right, Yeah, twenty percent exactly, but like good strong physiques for for like a high school or an early college kid, right. Um, so so I said what up to them and I walked out to the hot tub. I had my shirt on and everything at that point and I did my hot tub And then I walked back in and I didn't have my shirt on, And as I walk by I see in the mirror, Uh, one of the guys is go making like the steroid symbol, Uh, injection into his body and the other guy goes, Oh, yeah, oh, a hundred percent, and and I just like, It's one of those things. That it it it, it kind of irks me like I always in the past took it as a compliment, and and for whatever reason, this time it like irked me, because I only look good right now because I'm small. Like if if they, if they even took like a moment to to think about the fact that I weigh a hundred and eighty five pounds, and I'm like the same height as them, and like I look good in the moment, because I'm lean and I'mred But I bet if that was two hundred pounds, even fifteen pounds heavier than I am right now, that I would have walked by them and they wouldn't have even thought twice about it, because I would have looked soft and just strong, kind of like they do. So it's interesting how how being lean makes you appear way more jacked and that it changes people's perceptions of of your physique as well,

[aaron_straker]: 42:53

Yeah, it. I mean it because it's what Pe. It's what ninety nine percent of people are unable to do because of commitment education, right understanding learning. It's not that hard to like. I mean, don't get me wrong, right E, we all love lifting, right, we all live lifting. we eat a lot of food be cause that's how you get Jack type of thing, And then you get to like. Yeah, when I'm two hundred pounds, I really don't look anything special right. I'm yeah, just

[bryan_boorstein]: 43:21

just look like a big guy.

[aaron_straker]: 43:21

like like a big guy. right. Um, But then it's taking you know, So you've been dieting. For what do you say? Well, it'll be. I died it for four months, right and

[bryan_boorstein]: 43:30

Yeah, I met four months right now

[aaron_straker]: 43:30

four months right now. That is, I mean for me, no alcohol right, No candy. Like everything I said, Brian likes to take a little bit more re flexible approach. Ninety nine percent of people aren't willing to do that right. And it. that's where the difference in how you actually look like super cool or good or like your own steroids comes in that most people aren't just going to do so like when we are, When Brian and I are fifty percent body fact. We look like everyone else. A fifteen percent body fat, right the

[bryan_boorstein]: 43:59

right

[aaron_straker]: 43:59

the? the one? Maybe saving grace we do have is, I mean, let's face it, we're not that young anymore, right? We've been training. You've been training well over twenty years. I'm approaching eighteen, i believe, and for the last like ten years I make these micro adjustments and every year get a little bit better and better. Um, actually was just comparing photos like Uh, last week's checking Vot Iss like a year ago. Um. and I'm trying to think Okay, Did I actually make any progress like in this year and I did. And

[bryan_boorstein]: 44:29

right right,

[aaron_straker]: 44:30

it's like a little bit in the like, lateral side of my shoulder Rightcause. I got really good at doing

[bryan_boorstein]: 44:35

okay,

[aaron_straker]: 44:35

lateral raises, Um, a little bit of that

[bryan_boorstein]: 44:37

yp,

[aaron_straker]: 44:37

outer quad sweep, but besides that it pretty much looked the same. I'm a little bit leaner right. Um. And and that's really what it comes down to is like it to be a natural person Right. And you? really? it's it's Pl. It's's plain. the longing. you know. it's at twenty two at twenty four. Like I didn't really look that good. you know, and it wasn't I was. I was that football player who was at twenty percent body fat for years and years and

[bryan_boorstein]: 45:03

right,

[aaron_straker]: 45:04

years. Um, but that's just it's not a quick cell. It's not an easy cell. It takes a lot of time and commitment and that's where people will kind of make the judgment, and a lot of people have no idea what steroids actually look like. There is a look to people who were on gear and like I don't. I mean to, to be completely honest, being fully transparent, I think it's fuck and cool right. I just haven't done it yet. Um. And and thats, I think, what it comes down to is people don't understand the look they think if you have muscle and your're lean like that means steroids. and it really couldn't be any further from the

[bryan_boorstein]: 45:37

right, right.

[aaron_straker]: 45:37

truth.

[bryan_boorstein]: 45:40

Yeah, No, totally. that's really well said and I feel like specifically for those guys because of where they were in their training journey. I really wish that I would have just like turned around and said something and been like, Hey guys, Like how much do you think I weigh? And you know I would have told them I'm one eighty five and I'm like How much do you guys way? And they would been go two hundred two, oh five and I'm like, Yeah, so you don't think after training for twenty years that you'd be able to be a lean, one eighty five without taking any drugs. You know, just like simply, just say it to them like that and there's no way that they could possibly like be like nob you on steroids Like it's just I. I don't know. It's always in retrospect. You' always like man. I wish I would have said this or blah, blah blah, like you always have the perfect answer in retrospect. but but in this case like, I even thought about that in the moment and then like in my head of just like fuckt, I'm going to go into the steam shower and just not deal with this right now, and I wish that I would have you know

[aaron_straker]: 46:37

Yeah, you could saved him like years of

[bryan_boorstein]: 46:41

exactly I would like you. just follow me

[aaron_straker]: 46:43

Mhm.

[bryan_boorstein]: 46:43

on incyrem. I'm telling you you'll learn so much. Um,

[aaron_straker]: 46:45

They really would too. And that's like that's like. the funny part of is they would really get their minds blown.

[bryan_boorstein]: 46:52

yeah, um, and then we've also been. So another another thing, that's kind of unrelated to my experience with these two guys with the natty conversation is how important Uh muscle insertions are and I think that there's a few good examples here of people I know. Um, so there's one guy Dave Mcconney, who is on our podcast and he's He's taller than me and he weighs a little more than me. but um, it's very obvious when he is a hundred and ninety pounds and I'm a hundred and eighty five pounds or whatever it is to have given that I'm a little bit shorter. When you look at our physiques, we're similar body fat percentages and we have similar measurements Like my legs, and his legs are the same size. Our arms are the same size. Our chests are within like an inch of each other, so all of these measurements are more or less the same with him, but we look like like next to each other or pictures compared to each other. If he and I, um. Because he's longer and leaner and has as insertions at non optimal places, he just doesn't have the same pop to his physique when he gets lean and Um. And that seems to be something that is is really common you know, And it's it's not that he's not like he's strong, too, He. We, We talked about it on the podcast that he was on with us when it was. It was like episode Four or something like that, but he and I have similar strength numbers too, like we've each hit the two hundred, three hundred, four hundred, five hundred, for like the power lifts plus overhead press. Um, so yeah, I think that that's also a super interesting factor as well, because you and I, they are both pretty lucky with the way that our insertions are.

[aaron_straker]: 48:28

Yeah, I mean I, I'm the first person to say I, I have. I have gotten lucky with just muscle shape and stuff and bone structure, for instance. I've crazy broad shoulders which make me look like I'm way more jack than I am, And then I have a super small waist like it's I've like a. I've like,

[bryan_boorstein]: 48:46

Yeah, you do.

[aaron_straker]: 48:46

literally the waste, the size of a woman. Um, So it helps with like that v taper thing to make my back look like it's much bigger than it. really. Is it really really isn't? I mean, I've have gotten lucky with like, just basically skeletal structure type stuff, Um, and then kind of like a downside to that For me is like I have really skinny like joint areas like my wrists are pretty narrow. considering like my,

[bryan_boorstein]: 49:10

Can you fit your fingers around

[aaron_straker]: 49:11

barely,

[bryan_boorstein]: 49:11

your wrist?

[aaron_straker]: 49:13

um, and then like like knees, Achilles, those sorts of things like they're very very small. so I I think like, for a lot of it does have to do with. I mean genetics gives you like your shape and type of stuff. and like Brian', saying, like muscle insertions type of thing. Um. However, what I don't want to do and this is what I think too many people do is they let that hold them back from really trying hard. and they feel like, Oh, well, I have x. So I can never achieve Actx, and like, maybe that never means. like, Yeah, you maybe won't win an Olympia or anything like that. But that doesn't mean you can't look like pretty fucking fantastic with like consistency, diet, like intelligent

[bryan_boorstein]: 49:53

Mhm,

[aaron_straker]: 49:54

training, and actually like putting a very high effort into it. A lot of people use it as like a, or take it as like a, like a death sentence like. Oh, I can't do that because I was born. you know, ex or whatever, I don't have that as opposed to. and they just pre. They let that hold them back from even trying. Um, And that's something I've never

[bryan_boorstein]: 50:10

Yeah,

[aaron_straker]: 50:10

really agreed with.

[bryan_boorstein]: 50:14

No, totally, and I do think that if you don't have like the best genetics to the point where you're going to win a body building competition And that's like something you want to do. whatever that sucks. That's unfortunate for you, but I think that the key is finding a part of this strength game that that you love and that you can pursue, like, like Dave Mccney, used to train hypertrophy because he was on this mission to get as much muscle as he possibly could, And then he kind of realized that through through experimenting on himself that he can train way less put in more effort. Stick with mostly compound movements that he enjoys and take this more like strength focused perspective where he's really focusing on progressive overload, because that's something that he can control, and uh, he still looks good like he still

[aaron_straker]: 51:01

Yeah,

[bryan_boorstein]: 51:02

looks the exact same and yet he's He's enjoying his training because he goes into the gym and he feels like confident that he can had weight to the bar, and he's doing movements and feel good for him, and whatever, so, um, so it's easy, I think for you and I to fall into this hyperchphy game and be like. Training straight for hyperchphy is the best because it's produced really good results for us. But there are ways that you can really get a lot out of training without necessarily training strictly for hyperchphy. It can still be like a component of your training. Um, and of course, like for us, you know, we also show hypertrery because it's so sustainable like strength has had injured us, and and cause us issues and joint pain along the along the way. So there are reasons to train hypertry just because you want it to, other than the fact that it's to make you look good. Um, but if if looking good isn't the end result for you or the thing that, like, if you're not able to achieve, then you can add in elements of strength training or Olympic lifting, or strong man, or other pursuits within this this field that that that you

[aaron_straker]: 52:09

I agree with that, and I know, like you said, both of us have we landed here

[bryan_boorstein]: 52:09

find enjoyable.

[aaron_straker]: 52:13

after going through all those other. Well, you kind of started and then came back, but I mean, I started in power lifting and then was you

[bryan_boorstein]: 52:19

Yeah,

[aaron_straker]: 52:19

know, basically just like your your averagejimro than I went into crossfid, And then that took me into Olympic Whitelif. And then that took me back into power lifting, and like now I'm here, So I've like been through a lot of those things and I landed here because I was just really beat up you know, and this was just was something that I could do where I didn't feel like crap and being beat up all the time.

[bryan_boorstein]: 52:40

yeah, dude, I agree. I mean like a guy I said earlier with the the joints and the way the body feels like. I, I can't even believe that I just turned thirty nine and my body feels so good. I mean all around so good like there are little things that pop here and there and like it it. I'm not perfect, but on a day to day basis I have zero pain, like things that affect me on a daily life, like if I'm going out for a bike ride with Bryc in or jogging around the park with him or climbing rocks, and whatever, Like all these things, I don't have like range of motion limitations that are holding me back or shoulder paint or elbow paint, or knee pain, or any of those things that I did have during the cross fit and strength training days, and so, if for no other reason than the fact. That it keeps me feeling young and athletic. Then this has been like a a godsend of a way to train.

[aaron_straker]: 53:33

Yeah, definitely, and in the coming years you're going to, there's going to be a period of time where you're going to have to still be able to establish your athletic dominance over him and you're going to have to hold on for that for dear

[bryan_boorstein]: 53:42

Yes,

[aaron_straker]: 53:42

life for as long as you can.

[bryan_boorstein]: 53:44

and I'm going to get

[aaron_straker]: 53:44

Yeah,

[bryan_boorstein]: 53:45

injured trying to do it too. I'm go to like chear a hams string and I want I like pop, my rotator cuough, play basketball. and like I'm going to be like damned. I shouldn't have just stuck to hypertphy,

[aaron_straker]: 53:55

yeah, y. anything. Uh, anything else you have to have on that one mind

[bryan_boorstein]: 54:02

noh, man, I think I think we' good. That was fun.

[aaron_straker]: 54:03

cool? See, there's a pretty cool episode Can talk about a game and of different things. And really, I like what we wrapped up on in talking about that be cause it is again. Both of us do get accused of using air quotes here, but most times I take it as kind of a compliment. Um, but I think a lot of it, especially at this day and age come back to people, just are very, very uninformed, which is unfortunate. So if

[bryan_boorstein]: 54:22

Yeah.

[aaron_straker]: 54:23

Brian and I can help inform people out there, I think were doing our job, then, which is uh, helps, helps me. I feel pretty decent about that, helping provide some good information. So if anyone has any questions about any of those things, reach out the briind and iron instigram, that guys, we will talk to you next week.